Unusual Side Plate?

Diver6106 · 11-03-2016, 08:54 PM

Does anyone have an idea why this is modified this way?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-P08-...p2056016.l4276

Just curious...

sheepherder · 11-03-2016, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Diver6106

Does anyone have an idea why this is modified this way?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-P08-...p2056016.l4276

Just curious...

Two wild guesses...

1. Full-auto mod

2. Improved sear linkage

The flat spring that would bear on the trigger lever would suggest a mod to eliminate 'slack' in the trigger...

That it is on eBay suggests it's not too effective...

DonVoigt · 11-03-2016, 10:31 PM

Rich is on the right track, lots of work to overcome a problem? Maybe failure to reset caused by putting too strong a spring in the sear bar plunger?

Eugen · 11-04-2016, 06:57 AM

Well, I am stumped.

But, then it could be the ol' "steam punk" mod. LOL

Vlim · 11-04-2016, 08:07 AM

Perhaps it is more like a tool to check / adjust trigger levers?

John Sabato · 11-04-2016, 08:14 AM

My guess is with Rich... I think it was some kind of attempt at a full auto mod. The missing top half of the sideplate is quite perplexing...

spacecoast · 11-04-2016, 08:17 AM

Could it be a homemade attempt at a full auto side plate?

sheepherder · 11-04-2016, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DonVoigt

Maybe failure to reset caused by putting too strong a spring in the sear bar plunger?

Or lighten trigger pull??? What is the trigger pull on a typical Luger???

I'd pay $70 for a sideplate, but not this one...

alanint · 11-04-2016, 08:46 AM

The ends of both "prongs" are shown to be drilled through in the additional photos in the ebay link. So there is another component, that hinged on an axle there, that is missing.

sheepherder · 11-04-2016, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by alanint

The ends of both "prongs" are shown to be drilled through in the additional photos in the ebay link. So there is another component, that hinged on an axle there, that is missing.

Dust cover???

Mac Cat · 11-04-2016, 11:12 AM

perhaps it doesn't even work !?
A failed mod ?

Olle · 11-04-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

That it is on eBay suggests it's not too effective...

Exactly. I suspect that this is a gunsmithing experiment going horribly wrong, and it's probably just as functional as a muffler bearing.

It's obviously "very rare", and in this case I'd say we should be thankful for that.

Diver6106 · 11-04-2016, 07:59 PM

If full auto, then it probably had a VERY STRONG trigger spring and tight tolerances to stop it once the trigger was released. Or a missing part? That would keep it running away and probably for use with a snail drum. BUT is it period or not, and has anyone seen or heard about such a weapon?

DonVoigt · 11-05-2016, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Diver6106

If full auto, then it probably had a VERY STRONG trigger spring and tight tolerances to stop it once the trigger was released. Or a missing part? That would keep it running away and probably for use with a snail drum. BUT is it period or not, and has anyone seen or heard about such a weapon?

Yes, if you mean attempts at full auto luger pistols; no if you mean anything as crude as that particular side plate.

This type development or attempts are documented in Goertz and Surgess- and several German patents shown.

Period? No way to know.

MikeP · 11-05-2016, 02:16 PM

You just got to give somebody credit for thinking up and trying something--whatever it is.

Tinkerers make the world a better place-usually.

Olle · 11-05-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeP

You just got to give somebody credit for thinking up and trying something--whatever it is.

Tinkerers make the world a better place-usually.

Well, if you look at it that way, you have to at least give the "inventor" an A for effort. I can almost guarantee that Georg Luger's workbench (and trash bin) was full of gizmos he tried while perfecting his masterpiece.

By the way... that spring looks familiar, I'm sure I have seen one of those somewhere else. Is it for an adjustable rear sight?

John Sabato · 11-07-2016, 02:14 PM

Could that be the top portion of a Colt type Single Action hammer spring?

kurusu · 11-07-2016, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by John Sabato

Could that be the top portion of a Colt type Single Action hammer spring?

If it is it has been modified beyhond recognition.

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Could that be the top portion of a Colt type Single Action hammer spring? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The ends of both "prongs" are shown to be drilled through in the additional photos in the ebay link. So there is another component, that hinged on an axle there, that is missing.

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Mac Cat Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 749 Thanks: 2,154 Thanked 629 Times in 339 Posts	perhaps it doesn't even work !? A failed mod ?

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Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 245 Thanks: 1,430 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	If full auto, then it probably had a VERY STRONG trigger spring and tight tolerances to stop it once the trigger was released. Or a missing part? That would keep it running away and probably for use with a snail drum. BUT is it period or not, and has anyone seen or heard about such a weapon?

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MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	You just got to give somebody credit for thinking up and trying something--whatever it is. Tinkerers make the world a better place-usually.