1936 Matching Luger - Page 2

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2013, 04:36 PM

You mean to tell me that you could use a glorified bring-back paper to get a never before registered full auto registered as either an active functioning gun or a dewat?
dju

alanint · 10-14-2013, 10:48 PM

Not a run of the mill "bringback" paper, but a document awarding the piece to a particular person, signed by the commanding officer. The document would have to predate the 1968 amnesty and have other documents giving it weight. I am aware of ATF occasionally approving this under certain circumstances.

Let's try to recall that full autos were never authorized as bringbacks after the 1934 NFA Act. There simply have been circumstances where a historical significance or circumstance merited ATF approval.

DavidJayUden · 10-14-2013, 11:12 PM

But WW1 and the Maxim guns were another story. They are the most commonly found unrigistered military full auto, in my experience.
But I think that we are getting just a bit off topic here...
Thanks for your input Alan.
dju

alanint · 10-15-2013, 07:43 AM

Yes, I agree that these are probably the most common, unregistered NFA items. Most of these were offered out before the 1934 NFA Act. This was back when you could mail order a Thompson Submachinegun from a catalogue.

Those Maxims were given out, as you mentioned, for things such as War Bond premiums, service recognition, etc. Hell, I imagine a bank or two gave them away for opening a savings account!! Since these guns were so big and "impractical" along with the fact that many were received by "non gun" people, many were never registered during the amnesty. I've also seen a bunch of these over the years that are considered contraband, including a rare Vickers "Balloon Gun".

Up until the mid 1990s, there was a fully working Maxim with sled mount, spray painted silver, simply chained to the flagpole, (with a dog chain!) outside a Vermont post office I am familiar with.

Maxims are still the cheapest, registered, belt fed MG available to a lawful purchaser.

Ben Evans · 10-17-2013, 06:20 PM

Well gents I have secured this luger and hopefully should have it next week

tackkjr · 10-20-2013, 07:30 PM

Congratulations !

siegersallee · 10-21-2013, 02:36 PM

I am sorry to show my ignorance; but, what is "WAF"?

Please note I said ignorance, not stupidity. I can be cured.

saab-bob · 10-21-2013, 03:55 PM

I think WAF is for the http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php
Interesting forum for collectors of all things wehrmacht.

Just reading a interesting discussion there about the recent auction of the "Dr. George Sturgess collection".
Apparently if a gun was part of his famous collection,it does command a premium.

Bob

Ben Evans · 10-21-2013, 04:29 PM

Yes that is correct, the Wehrmacht Awards Forum, it should be here tomorrow

Ben Evans · 10-22-2013, 12:22 PM

Well guys its arrived, I have taken some more pics for your perusal, hope you enjoy it, I absolute love it

Ben Evans · 10-22-2013, 12:25 PM

More A

Ben Evans · 10-22-2013, 12:28 PM

More B

Ben Evans · 10-22-2013, 12:33 PM

More C

wlyon · 10-22-2013, 12:58 PM

Ben
Very very nice!!!!! Bill

siegersallee · 10-22-2013, 04:58 PM

Awesome...you landed a real gem!

Douglas Jr. · 10-23-2013, 08:37 AM

Really nice Luger.
Congratulations and thanks for sharing.
Douglas

MikeP · 10-23-2013, 05:17 PM

Pictures of a mutilated corpse.

John Sabato · 10-23-2013, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

Pictures of a mutilated corpse.

That may be so, Mike... but if you live in the UK, and have an interest in historical guns, you have little choice but to own them after they have been "neutered"...

Have pity on our UK friends please... they can't help it. They are "subjects" of the crown. Not citizens of a free nation.

Even with all our own troubles I Thank God almighty every day that we still live in the nation that is the freedom envy of every other nation in the entire world.

Any of our Lugerforum friends in the UK who come to Washington DC are welcome to PM me in advance so I can show them what that freedom is all about while they are here.

Ben Evans · 10-23-2013, 06:17 PM

Hey John I might just take you up on that

Tony Min · 10-23-2013, 08:16 PM

Or me on the west coast

10-21-2013, 02:36 PM	#27
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 293 Thanks: 112 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	I am sorry to show my ignorance; but, what is "WAF"? Please note I said ignorance, not stupidity. I can be cured. __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

10-21-2013, 03:55 PM	#28
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	I think WAF is for the http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php Interesting forum for collectors of all things wehrmacht. Just reading a interesting discussion there about the recent auction of the "Dr. George Sturgess collection". Apparently if a gun was part of his famous collection,it does command a premium. Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

10-22-2013, 12:25 PM	#31
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	More A Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:05 AM.

10-22-2013, 12:33 PM	#33
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	More C Last edited by Ben Evans; 11-19-2013 at 07:05 AM.

10-22-2013, 12:58 PM	#34
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,244 Thanked 2,661 Times in 988 Posts	Ben Very very nice!!!!! Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

10-14-2013, 04:36 PM	#21
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	You mean to tell me that you could use a glorified bring-back paper to get a never before registered full auto registered as either an active functioning gun or a dewat? dju

10-14-2013, 10:48 PM	#22
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Not a run of the mill "bringback" paper, but a document awarding the piece to a particular person, signed by the commanding officer. The document would have to predate the 1968 amnesty and have other documents giving it weight. I am aware of ATF occasionally approving this under certain circumstances. Let's try to recall that full autos were never authorized as bringbacks after the 1934 NFA Act. There simply have been circumstances where a historical significance or circumstance merited ATF approval.

10-14-2013, 11:12 PM	#23
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	But WW1 and the Maxim guns were another story. They are the most commonly found unrigistered military full auto, in my experience. But I think that we are getting just a bit off topic here... Thanks for your input Alan. dju

10-15-2013, 07:43 AM	#24
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Yes, I agree that these are probably the most common, unregistered NFA items. Most of these were offered out before the 1934 NFA Act. This was back when you could mail order a Thompson Submachinegun from a catalogue. Those Maxims were given out, as you mentioned, for things such as War Bond premiums, service recognition, etc. Hell, I imagine a bank or two gave them away for opening a savings account!! Since these guns were so big and "impractical" along with the fact that many were received by "non gun" people, many were never registered during the amnesty. I've also seen a bunch of these over the years that are considered contraband, including a rare Vickers "Balloon Gun". Up until the mid 1990s, there was a fully working Maxim with sled mount, spray painted silver, simply chained to the flagpole, (with a dog chain!) outside a Vermont post office I am familiar with. Maxims are still the cheapest, registered, belt fed MG available to a lawful purchaser.

10-17-2013, 06:20 PM	#25
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Well gents I have secured this luger and hopefully should have it next week

10-20-2013, 07:30 PM	#26
tackkjr User Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Congratulations !

10-21-2013, 04:29 PM	#29
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Yes that is correct, the Wehrmacht Awards Forum, it should be here tomorrow

10-22-2013, 04:58 PM	#35
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 293 Thanks: 112 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	Awesome...you landed a real gem! __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

10-23-2013, 08:37 AM	#36
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	Really nice Luger. Congratulations and thanks for sharing. Douglas

10-23-2013, 05:17 PM	#37
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Pictures of a mutilated corpse.

10-23-2013, 06:17 PM	#39
Ben Evans User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: UK Posts: 94 Thanks: 31 Thanked 25 Times in 12 Posts	Hey John I might just take you up on that

10-23-2013, 08:16 PM	#40
Tony Min User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 14 Posts	Or me on the west coast