Carcanos Info.-M1Carbines Info.

Brew_Ha_Ha · 03-23-2003, 08:11 PM

I inherited a Carcano rifle from my grandfather a few months ago and I noticed that there wasnt that much information on the web. Well if anyone knows information about a Carcano Carbine TS Beretta 1929 with a marking over the chamber VG, please let me know. Are they safe to shoot, shot it once and has a deep sound, any websites that have the ammo cheaper than 25+ for a box of 20-30 rounds? I know these rifles are not worth much on today's markets, but how many were made?

Thanks for the replies!

Brew_Ha_Ha · 03-23-2003, 08:29 PM

Also recently bought a Saginaw Carbine, barrel marked Saginaw-wondering if the back sight would be marked JAO; its a korean war type sight.

Mark A · 03-23-2003, 11:30 PM

If your Carcano is 6.5 Empire Arms has ammunition for you, 20 rounds; $12.95

John -Melb · 03-24-2003, 12:32 AM

I don't know if you had that problem in the states but twenty or more years ago when Carcarno's started appearing in this country the ammo that came with them was REALLY hot. It was in 50 round boxes.

I was told it was 6.5x52 ammo for the M30 Breda machine gun. Appeared safe to fire (no extraction or cratering problems seen on the primers) but the muzzle flash was something amazing!

Good luck with your Carcano, I can't hit a damn thing with mine but it's still fun trying!

Brew_Ha_Ha · 03-24-2003, 12:44 AM

The last time a fired the weapon I used some Czech ammo and it sure was hot, and i couldnt really get an accurate shot either

Weissen · 03-24-2003, 04:49 AM

Wasn't JFK (allegedly) shot with one of these at some incredible range with the std.issue iron sights?

Vlim · 03-24-2003, 07:24 AM

You mean it can fire 3 bullets at once from one position, that enter the target from 3 angles and exit undamaged? :=)

John -Melb · 03-24-2003, 07:35 AM

My understanding was that JFK was shot with a 6.5 Carcarno fitted with a cheap Jap scope. It is my understanding that the scope actually hindered the operation of the bolt to a fairly major degree. Apparently you had to open the bolt and then reposition you hand on the bolt handle to actaully pull the bolt back to open the breach, similarly holding the bolt handle two different ways was necessary to chamber a fresh round.

That's only what I heard, I wasn't there at the time!

Roadkill · 03-24-2003, 08:41 AM

Check this out: Under Google its listed as :

The Carcano Home Page

Table of Contents
General Information on the Carcano
A brief historical overview
Biography of the inventor, Salvatore Carcano
Theatres of War where the Carcano served
C2766 - The most famous Carcano, of John F. Kennedy assassination notoriety

Components and Disassembly
Model Identification
The Japanese Type I Rifle - A Far Eastern Carcano
Production Changes, Markings on Parts, and Subcontractors
Bayonets for the Carcano Rifles and Carbines
Ammunition
History
Military loadings
Headstamps
Factory Loads (New production ammunition)
Reloading
Reloading data
Reduction Cartridges, Chamber Adaptors and Auxiliary Cases

Shooting the 6.5 X 52 mm, 7.35 x 51mm Cartridges and the Carcano Rifles, an article by Dave Emary of Hornady Manufacturing.

Addresses for Carcano Related Items
Prices and Shopping Advice
Sporterizing a Carcano
Gunsmithing Possibilities

Carcano Bibliography
Carcano Image Archive
Carcano Database - please help our research and add your Carcano here!

Firearms and Miscellaneous Links Page

rk

http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~glib...no/prices.html

Heydrich · 03-24-2003, 03:36 PM

Oswald definitely could have made those shots in the time he had. The first shot was free. There was 3.5 seconds between the first and second shots. Enough for a snap shot. There was 5 seconds between the second and third shots. That gave him about 2 seconds to aim. If anyone here owns a bolt action rifle with a smooth action, go out some day and try to get off 3 rounds in 8 seconds. You’d be surprised what you can do.

The scope on his rifle didn’t interfere with the bolt, it was offset:

I read an interesting interview with Marina Oswald (his wife) one day. She said that she had indeed taken those incriminating photos of her husband with his mail order rifle one afternoon. Her Dallas PD affidavit says the same thing. Marina Affidavit And it is a fact that the sales documentation of the rifle matches up to Lee Harvey Oswald himself. It should be pretty clear to an objective person what happened to JFK.

Real pictures, or fakes? You decide.

Brew_Ha_Ha · 03-25-2003, 12:46 AM

Somehow I knew this was going to turn into mentioning JFK.

03-23-2003, 08:11 PM	#1
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Carcanos Info.-M1Carbines Info. I inherited a Carcano rifle from my grandfather a few months ago and I noticed that there wasnt that much information on the web. Well if anyone knows information about a Carcano Carbine TS Beretta 1929 with a marking over the chamber VG, please let me know. Are they safe to shoot, shot it once and has a deep sound, any websites that have the ammo cheaper than 25+ for a box of 20-30 rounds? I know these rifles are not worth much on today's markets, but how many were made? Thanks for the replies! __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

03-23-2003, 08:29 PM	#2
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also recently bought a Saginaw Carbine, barrel marked Saginaw-wondering if the back sight would be marked JAO; its a korean war type sight. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

03-23-2003, 11:30 PM	#3
Mark A User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Wheat Ridge, CO Posts: 105 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If your Carcano is 6.5 Empire Arms has ammunition for you, 20 rounds; $12.95 __________________ Mark

03-24-2003, 12:44 AM	#5
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The last time a fired the weapon I used some Czech ammo and it sure was hot, and i couldnt really get an accurate shot either __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

03-25-2003, 12:46 AM	#11
Brew_Ha_Ha User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NC Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Somehow I knew this was going to turn into mentioning JFK. __________________ Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.

03-24-2003, 12:32 AM	#4
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't know if you had that problem in the states but twenty or more years ago when Carcarno's started appearing in this country the ammo that came with them was REALLY hot. It was in 50 round boxes. I was told it was 6.5x52 ammo for the M30 Breda machine gun. Appeared safe to fire (no extraction or cratering problems seen on the primers) but the muzzle flash was something amazing! Good luck with your Carcano, I can't hit a damn thing with mine but it's still fun trying!

03-24-2003, 04:49 AM	#6
Weissen User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South Australia Posts: 35 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wasn't JFK (allegedly) shot with one of these at some incredible range with the std.issue iron sights?

03-24-2003, 07:24 AM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	You mean it can fire 3 bullets at once from one position, that enter the target from 3 angles and exit undamaged? :=)

03-24-2003, 07:35 AM	#8
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	My understanding was that JFK was shot with a 6.5 Carcarno fitted with a cheap Jap scope. It is my understanding that the scope actually hindered the operation of the bolt to a fairly major degree. Apparently you had to open the bolt and then reposition you hand on the bolt handle to actaully pull the bolt back to open the breach, similarly holding the bolt handle two different ways was necessary to chamber a fresh round. That's only what I heard, I wasn't there at the time!

03-24-2003, 08:41 AM	#9
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Check this out: Under Google its listed as : The Carcano Home Page Table of Contents General Information on the Carcano A brief historical overview Biography of the inventor, Salvatore Carcano Theatres of War where the Carcano served C2766 - The most famous Carcano, of John F. Kennedy assassination notoriety Components and Disassembly Model Identification The Japanese Type I Rifle - A Far Eastern Carcano Production Changes, Markings on Parts, and Subcontractors Bayonets for the Carcano Rifles and Carbines Ammunition History Military loadings Headstamps Factory Loads (New production ammunition) Reloading Reloading data Reduction Cartridges, Chamber Adaptors and Auxiliary Cases Shooting the 6.5 X 52 mm, 7.35 x 51mm Cartridges and the Carcano Rifles, an article by Dave Emary of Hornady Manufacturing. Addresses for Carcano Related Items Prices and Shopping Advice Sporterizing a Carcano Gunsmithing Possibilities Carcano Bibliography Carcano Image Archive Carcano Database - please help our research and add your Carcano here! Firearms and Miscellaneous Links Page rk http://attila.stevens-tech.edu/~glib...no/prices.html

03-24-2003, 03:36 PM	#10
Heydrich Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oswald definitely could have made those shots in the time he had. The first shot was free. There was 3.5 seconds between the first and second shots. Enough for a snap shot. There was 5 seconds between the second and third shots. That gave him about 2 seconds to aim. If anyone here owns a bolt action rifle with a smooth action, go out some day and try to get off 3 rounds in 8 seconds. You’d be surprised what you can do. The scope on his rifle didn’t interfere with the bolt, it was offset: I read an interesting interview with Marina Oswald (his wife) one day. She said that she had indeed taken those incriminating photos of her husband with his mail order rifle one afternoon. Her Dallas PD affidavit says the same thing. Marina Affidavit And it is a fact that the sales documentation of the rifle matches up to Lee Harvey Oswald himself. It should be pretty clear to an objective person what happened to JFK. Real pictures, or fakes? You decide.