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SteveM · 08-14-2004, 03:37 PM

For those interested in these, there is one on Auction Arms at this time.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5988625

Looks like a pretty nice one.I don't believe that it has been shot all that much, however the seller seems to think it was used for target shooting.

(Does anybody see anything suspect with this pistol? I see a couple of things that may be, but you never know with these Banners)
Steve

Vlim · 08-15-2004, 06:28 AM

This pistol shows signs of being force-matched. The numbering is suspect, to say the least.

Tomathvl · 08-15-2004, 08:41 AM

Gerben,
What do you see that gives you concern? Help educate us neophytes.
Thanks,
Tom

Ron Smith · 08-15-2004, 09:10 AM

I see what you mean Gerben. The 5's appear to be of a different style,and struck with varying force.
Ron

John Sabato · 08-16-2004, 10:12 AM

Sorry Gerben, but I think that the quality of the photographs shown in the auction are not sufficient to make a clear judgement on whether or not this pistol has been "forced matched" in my opinion...I believe that we would have to see much higher quality photos of all stamps on this gun to come to that conclusion.

The numbers on the front of the frame may not be struck to the same depth, but from what I see in this fuzzy photo, the stamp used for both "5"digits was the same...

The finish on this gun looks very nice, but since the auction states that it has come out of a collection in Switzerland, it is very possible that the gun has been refinished... they like them clean and shiney over there...

Vlim · 08-16-2004, 08:50 PM

John,

The striking of numbers on the frame don't worry me. The numbers on the toggle are suspicious, as is the placement of the numbers on the takedown lever (and it's shape).

The DWM and Mauser digits differ in shape from the digits used on this pistol's toggle.

All in all, this pistol shows signs of different sets of dies, not consistant with what I'd expect from a Mauser.

Herb · 08-16-2004, 09:33 PM

Things that caught my eye are the numbers on the trigger bar, they appear to be the same size as the ones on the sideplate when they should be the size of the ones on the takedown lever. Also there are no 'last two' on the extractor. Additionally there should be three acceptance stamps on the right reciever in most cases.

08-14-2004, 03:37 PM	#1
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Mauser Banners For those interested in these, there is one on Auction Arms at this time. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=5988625 Looks like a pretty nice one.I don't believe that it has been shot all that much, however the seller seems to think it was used for target shooting. (Does anybody see anything suspect with this pistol? I see a couple of things that may be, but you never know with these Banners) Steve

08-15-2004, 09:10 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	I see what you mean Gerben. The 5's appear to be of a different style,and struck with varying force. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

08-16-2004, 10:12 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry Gerben, but I think that the quality of the photographs shown in the auction are not sufficient to make a clear judgement on whether or not this pistol has been "forced matched" in my opinion...I believe that we would have to see much higher quality photos of all stamps on this gun to come to that conclusion. The numbers on the front of the frame may not be struck to the same depth, but from what I see in this fuzzy photo, the stamp used for both "5"digits was the same... The finish on this gun looks very nice, but since the auction states that it has come out of a collection in Switzerland, it is very possible that the gun has been refinished... they like them clean and shiney over there... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-16-2004, 09:33 PM	#7
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Things that caught my eye are the numbers on the trigger bar, they appear to be the same size as the ones on the sideplate when they should be the size of the ones on the takedown lever. Also there are no 'last two' on the extractor. Additionally there should be three acceptance stamps on the right reciever in most cases. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

08-15-2004, 06:28 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	This pistol shows signs of being force-matched. The numbering is suspect, to say the least.

08-15-2004, 08:41 AM	#3
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Gerben, What do you see that gives you concern? Help educate us neophytes. Thanks, Tom

08-16-2004, 08:50 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	John, The striking of numbers on the frame don't worry me. The numbers on the toggle are suspicious, as is the placement of the numbers on the takedown lever (and it's shape). The DWM and Mauser digits differ in shape from the digits used on this pistol's toggle. All in all, this pistol shows signs of different sets of dies, not consistant with what I'd expect from a Mauser.