K Date Luger

RAHamilton · 05-19-2004, 08:07 AM

Gentlemen:

I have been in search of a K Date Luger and found this one for sale by FGS Inc. on GunsAmerica. I asked for and received the attached additional pictures. I've researched Jan's book "Third Reich Lugers" on the K Dates and this example seems to fit with the descriptions and photos. One thing I did notice was that the side plate does not have the scriptic S along with the two-digit SN. According to Jan, these either had all their small parts marked with a scriptic or gothis S, or none of the parts were so marked.

As this example has the scriptic S on all parts with the exception of the side plate I'm not certain of its authenticity. Any thoughts on the authenticity of this Luger or other feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks to everyone in advance,
Bob

Frank · 05-19-2004, 09:56 AM

Hi Bob, In my opinion, this K-Date is early enough to have the "S" stamped on the trigger plate.

I own 3412 and 6101 and they both have the "S" stamp trigger plate.

Later versions are marked like all other Military Mauser Lugers, see page 26 of Still's "Third Reich Lugers". These higher serial numbered K-Dates do not have the "S" stamp on any of the small parts (only the center toggle link).

While the K-Date appears to be a nice pistol, it has been messed with, IMHO!! Run away from this one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Imperial Arms · 05-19-2004, 03:39 PM

Based on the image, it is my opinion that the sideplate is incorrect for this pistol. In addition to missing the 'S', the finish is not consistent with the rest of the pistol.

Albert

Thor · 05-19-2004, 07:00 PM

Albert, my sentiments exactly on the sideplate. The stamping on the mag looks pretty DEEP too!

RAHamilton · 05-20-2004, 06:34 AM

Frank, Albert,Thor:

Thanks for your feedback and observations. I was also suspicious of the sideplate and am very suspicious whenever a pistol comes with 2 matching mags. I agree with Thor's observations on the mag(s) as well. I really appreciate your honest evaluations and they are very helpful to a novice like myself. It's a great learning opportunity in both researching the literature and then gaining knowledge from those of you that have learned through your personal experiences.

Best Regards,
Bob

norm4391 · 05-20-2004, 06:25 PM

rah in still's third reich lugers, page 25-26 it shows k date #8049 and 131a without s on the side plates. and on page 24 is #8023 just 26 numbers lower with a s23 on side plate, so maybe the gun has the right side plates.

ken d · 05-20-2004, 09:30 PM

Rah:
If your pictures are of two mags, both mags have the "+" indicating a spare or 2nd mag. Original or #1 mag would not be marked with a "+".

Ken D

05-19-2004, 07:00 PM	#4
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Albert, my sentiments exactly on the sideplate. The stamping on the mag looks pretty DEEP too! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

05-20-2004, 06:25 PM	#6
norm4391 User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: st.charles mo. Posts: 15 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	rah in still's third reich lugers, page 25-26 it shows k date #8049 and 131a without s on the side plates. and on page 24 is #8023 just 26 numbers lower with a s23 on side plate, so maybe the gun has the right side plates. __________________ old rascal from Mo.

05-19-2004, 08:07 AM	#1
RAHamilton User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sioux City, Iowa Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	K Date Luger Gentlemen: I have been in search of a K Date Luger and found this one for sale by FGS Inc. on GunsAmerica. I asked for and received the attached additional pictures. I've researched Jan's book "Third Reich Lugers" on the K Dates and this example seems to fit with the descriptions and photos. One thing I did notice was that the side plate does not have the scriptic S along with the two-digit SN. According to Jan, these either had all their small parts marked with a scriptic or gothis S, or none of the parts were so marked. As this example has the scriptic S on all parts with the exception of the side plate I'm not certain of its authenticity. Any thoughts on the authenticity of this Luger or other feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to everyone in advance, Bob

05-19-2004, 09:56 AM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Bob, In my opinion, this K-Date is early enough to have the "S" stamped on the trigger plate. I own 3412 and 6101 and they both have the "S" stamp trigger plate. Later versions are marked like all other Military Mauser Lugers, see page 26 of Still's "Third Reich Lugers". These higher serial numbered K-Dates do not have the "S" stamp on any of the small parts (only the center toggle link). While the K-Date appears to be a nice pistol, it has been messed with, IMHO!! Run away from this one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

05-19-2004, 03:39 PM	#3
Imperial Arms Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Malta, EU Posts: 579 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Based on the image, it is my opinion that the sideplate is incorrect for this pistol. In addition to missing the 'S', the finish is not consistent with the rest of the pistol. Albert

05-20-2004, 06:34 AM	#5
RAHamilton User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sioux City, Iowa Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Frank, Albert,Thor: Thanks for your feedback and observations. I was also suspicious of the sideplate and am very suspicious whenever a pistol comes with 2 matching mags. I agree with Thor's observations on the mag(s) as well. I really appreciate your honest evaluations and they are very helpful to a novice like myself. It's a great learning opportunity in both researching the literature and then gaining knowledge from those of you that have learned through your personal experiences. Best Regards, Bob

05-20-2004, 09:30 PM	#7
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Rah: If your pictures are of two mags, both mags have the "+" indicating a spare or 2nd mag. Original or #1 mag would not be marked with a "+". Ken D