What Do You Think of this Persian

erdikler · 09-22-2014, 03:39 AM

Dear all,

I would like to hear your opinions about this Persian.

Thanks in advance,

Regards

erdikler · 09-22-2014, 03:58 AM

cont'd

Norme · 09-22-2014, 08:22 AM

Hi Eymen, The P08 Persian is much rarer than the LP08, in the US at least. Does it have all matching numbered parts?
Regards, Norm

John Sabato · 09-22-2014, 09:25 AM

I agree... The Persian guns are rare in any condition... This is a nice example. All numbers will be in Farsi script, and I THINK that the last two digits in Farsi should be in most of the places where normal serial numbers are found.

If all numbers match, I definitely wouldn't shoot it! Too rare.

erdikler · 09-22-2014, 09:32 AM

unfortunately I do not know whether it has all matching parts, since the owner does not know himself either... He lives in another city in Turkey, so I must pay him a visit first to see its condition... I guess this configuration is also very rare here as well, since I never heard of any other example untill now.
Regards,

eymen

sheepherder · 09-22-2014, 09:57 AM

Very cool!

Does anyone know the translation of the toggle inscription??? It seems much too long for just "DWM"...

Norme · 09-22-2014, 10:07 AM

It wouldn't say DWM, both the P08 and LP08 Persians were made by Mauser.
Regards, Norm

guns3545 · 09-22-2014, 10:08 AM

Your serial number 1273 looks good on the surface except for a minor discrepancy.

Of the exterior small parts serial numbers that are visible in the photographs, all are marked correctly with the 73 except for the extractor. There the number appears to be 37, i.e. the numbers are reversed. This could simply be a marking error as I am sure the Mauser employees were not fluent in Farsi, or less likely the extractor was swapped out at some time in its life.

It would be good to have photographs of the front of the frame and the bottom of the barrel. The interior small parts should also be examined for correct serialization as well as the magazine which should have the Persian inspection mark as well as the full serial number.

BTW, the delivery to the Persians consisted of the P.08, the lP.08, and 50 cutaway models. They looked like the photograph attached. Excuse the poor quality.

Hope this helps.

John

guns3545 · 09-22-2014, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

It wouldn't say DWM, both the P08 and LP08 Persians were made by Mauser.
Regards, Norm

The middle toggle says Mauser in Farsi.

The text on the right side of the receiver says: Pistol Model 1314, the year of the Muslim calendar which, in years, started 622 years behind ours.

The Safe and Loaded indicators are also in Farsi.

Interestingly, the LP.08s were made primarily from DWM parts transferred to Mauser in 1930 or thereabouts.

John

sheepherder · 09-22-2014, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norme

It wouldn't say DWM, both the P08 and LP08 Persians were made by Mauser.
Regards, Norm

Ah, very good!

Darius, John, and Patrice all had excellent pics and info in a previous thread (which I had missed) -

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31045

erdikler · 09-22-2014, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guns3545

Your serial number 1273 looks good on the surface except for a minor discrepancy.

Of the exterior small parts serial numbers that are visible in the photographs, all are marked correctly with the 73 except for the extractor. There the number appears to be 37, i.e. the numbers are reversed. This could simply be a marking error as I am sure the Mauser employees were not fluent in Farsi, or less likely the extractor was swapped out at some time in its life.

It would be good to have photographs of the front of the frame and the bottom of the barrel. The interior small parts should also be examined for correct serialization as well as the magazine which should have the Persian inspection mark as well as the full serial number.

BTW, the delivery to the Persians consisted of the P.08, the lP.08, and 50 cutaway models. They looked like the photograph attached. Excuse the poor quality.

Hope this helps.

John

What a nice collection,

Thanks a lot for all aswers,

Regards,

Eymen

John Sabato · 09-22-2014, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheepherder

Ah, very good!

Darius, John, and Patrice all had excellent pics and info in a previous thread (which I had missed) -

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=31045

Of particular interest in the thread linked by Sheepherder is the presentation Luger that was presented to an American General named Evans. A person inherited that Luger, and photographs were first made public here on the Lugerforum. The person who inherited the Luger was interested in it's value to be sold. The gun was apparently unfired when he got it and came in the box shown.

If I am not mistaken, this particular gun ended up in the either the Collectors Firearms Collection, or the Simpson's Ltd collection. I don't recall the price it sold for, but I am sure it was in the many thousands of dollars.

It is not often that you get to see a Luger just as it came from the factory...

Sergio Natali · 09-22-2014, 02:49 PM

Very beautiful indeed, here in Italy I was offered a beautiful one too (photo enclose) at the equivalent price of about USD 6,800.00 BUT did not interest me as obviously it had been rechambered 9x21 IMI

:-(

LU1900 · 09-22-2014, 05:57 PM

Extractor in sn27 when I enlarge the pic , but a beautiful and rare gun

Sergio Natali · 09-23-2014, 04:18 AM

... or continuing my last post, as an alternative one can find this one at the price of about
USD 4,50.00 but also in this case it has ben rebarreled cal. 30 Luger... which means that its real collectible value is strongly reduced.

Sergio

erdikler · 09-23-2014, 10:34 AM

The seller asks around $ 3000? is it a good price?

alanint · 09-23-2014, 10:46 AM

It would be here in the US, perhaps a bit high for me. It all depends on your market.

DavidJayUden · 09-23-2014, 11:30 AM

... or continuing my last post, as an alternative one can find this one at the price of about
USD 4,50.00 but also in this case it has ben rebarreled cal. 30 Luger... which means that its real collectible value is strongly reduced.

In these cases where the entire barrel is removed and replaced with another caliber barrel, is it legal for the owner to keep the original barrel?
dju

09-22-2014, 03:39 AM	#1
erdikler User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	What Do You Think of this Persian Dear all, I would like to hear your opinions about this Persian. Thanks in advance, Regards Attached Thumbnails

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John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I agree... The Persian guns are rare in any condition... This is a nice example. All numbers will be in Farsi script, and I THINK that the last two digits in Farsi should be in most of the places where normal serial numbers are found. If all numbers match, I definitely wouldn't shoot it! Too rare. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

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sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Very cool! Does anyone know the translation of the toggle inscription??? It seems much too long for just "DWM"... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

09-22-2014, 10:08 AM	#8
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 437 Thanks: 655 Thanked 492 Times in 218 Posts	Your serial number 1273 looks good on the surface except for a minor discrepancy. Of the exterior small parts serial numbers that are visible in the photographs, all are marked correctly with the 73 except for the extractor. There the number appears to be 37, i.e. the numbers are reversed. This could simply be a marking error as I am sure the Mauser employees were not fluent in Farsi, or less likely the extractor was swapped out at some time in its life. It would be good to have photographs of the front of the frame and the bottom of the barrel. The interior small parts should also be examined for correct serialization as well as the magazine which should have the Persian inspection mark as well as the full serial number. BTW, the delivery to the Persians consisted of the P.08, the lP.08, and 50 cutaway models. They looked like the photograph attached. Excuse the poor quality. Hope this helps. John Attached Thumbnails

09-22-2014, 08:22 AM	#3
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Eymen, The P08 Persian is much rarer than the LP08, in the US at least. Does it have all matching numbered parts? Regards, Norm

09-22-2014, 09:32 AM	#5
erdikler User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	unfortunately I do not know whether it has all matching parts, since the owner does not know himself either... He lives in another city in Turkey, so I must pay him a visit first to see its condition... I guess this configuration is also very rare here as well, since I never heard of any other example untill now. Regards, eymen

09-22-2014, 10:07 AM	#7
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,603 Times in 933 Posts	It wouldn't say DWM, both the P08 and LP08 Persians were made by Mauser. Regards, Norm

09-22-2014, 02:49 PM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Very beautiful indeed, here in Italy I was offered a beautiful one too (photo enclose) at the equivalent price of about USD 6,800.00 BUT did not interest me as obviously it had been rechambered 9x21 IMI :-( Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-22-2014, 05:57 PM	#14
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 907 Thanks: 40 Thanked 468 Times in 196 Posts	Extractor in sn27 when I enlarge the pic , but a beautiful and rare gun __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

09-23-2014, 04:18 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	... or continuing my last post, as an alternative one can find this one at the price of about USD 4,50.00 but also in this case it has ben rebarreled cal. 30 Luger... which means that its real collectible value is strongly reduced. Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

09-23-2014, 10:34 AM	#16
erdikler User Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 14 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 3 Posts	The seller asks around $ 3000? is it a good price?

09-23-2014, 10:46 AM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It would be here in the US, perhaps a bit high for me. It all depends on your market.

09-23-2014, 11:30 AM	#18
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	... or continuing my last post, as an alternative one can find this one at the price of about USD 4,50.00 but also in this case it has ben rebarreled cal. 30 Luger... which means that its real collectible value is strongly reduced. In these cases where the entire barrel is removed and replaced with another caliber barrel, is it legal for the owner to keep the original barrel? dju