"Russian" 1900 Luger

Michael Zeleny · 06-11-2014, 06:55 PM

No relation to the sellers:
https://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDeta...arrel-blue-fi#

drbuster · 06-11-2014, 09:02 PM

I'm bothered very much about this "Russian" 1900. The price range for a "genuine" piece of this contract is way low. Also this luger is in the same auction of the obvious fake 1904 "Navy" luger #574. Both are priced in a "shooter" range but are being presented as authentic pieces. Once again: caveat emptor!

sheepherder · 06-11-2014, 09:54 PM

Herb, I am of the opinion that "Russian" Lugers may well be authentic...Maybe not this one, but at least the one(s) observed (and photographed) by Datig back in the early 1950's, as shown in his books...

But here's my reasoning: Even if it is an out-and-out fake, isn't it worth the price of a shooter??? Maybe even a high-end shooter???

Whatever "Russian" Lugers are, they have created a storm of controversy, and even a 'fake' could be considered collectible...IMHO...

It's like 'Weird Al Yankovic' music/video parodies...They are still entertaining, and downright delightful, even though we all know they're not original...

Geo99 · 06-11-2014, 11:00 PM

Wait a minute - a 1900 Russian? I thought that Russian Lugers were only Model 1906?

I love the description - "considerable straw" - it looks brand new to me (which it probably is - done just this year).

Ron Wood · 06-12-2014, 12:03 AM

Gun was discussed on Jan Still's forum. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-help%85%85%85

drbuster · 06-12-2014, 12:14 AM

Richard, you make a good point and Ron, these "creations", like the fake Navy keep coming back. Mike Krause is convinced these are both creations of KK.

sheepherder · 06-15-2014, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drbuster

Richard, you make a good point and Ron, these "creations", like the fake Navy keep coming back. Mike Krause is convinced these are both creations of KK.

Herb, I've been told that Kenny K. was a member here but no one recalls his username. I'd like to look up his claims, get a feel for his 'style' of reworking. Do you remember his forum name???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Gun was discussed on Jan Still's forum. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthread.php?38329

Thanks for the link, Ron. I was wondering who the Esteemed Gentleman From Malta was now, nobody wanted to admit knowing his new name...

06-11-2014, 06:55 PM	#1
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06-11-2014, 09:54 PM	#3
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,400 Thanked 4,442 Times in 2,330 Posts	Herb, I am of the opinion that "Russian" Lugers may well be authentic...Maybe not this one, but at least the one(s) observed (and photographed) by Datig back in the early 1950's, as shown in his books... But here's my reasoning: Even if it is an out-and-out fake, isn't it worth the price of a shooter??? Maybe even a high-end shooter??? Whatever "Russian" Lugers are, they have created a storm of controversy, and even a 'fake' could be considered collectible...IMHO... It's like 'Weird Al Yankovic' music/video parodies...They are still entertaining, and downright delightful, even though we all know they're not original... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

06-11-2014, 11:00 PM	#4
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Wait a minute - a 1900 Russian? I thought that Russian Lugers were only Model 1906? I love the description - "considerable straw" - it looks brand new to me (which it probably is - done just this year). __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

06-11-2014, 09:02 PM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I'm bothered very much about this "Russian" 1900. The price range for a "genuine" piece of this contract is way low. Also this luger is in the same auction of the obvious fake 1904 "Navy" luger #574. Both are priced in a "shooter" range but are being presented as authentic pieces. Once again: caveat emptor!

06-12-2014, 12:03 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,017 Thanks: 1,089 Thanked 5,164 Times in 1,700 Posts	Gun was discussed on Jan Still's forum. http://luger.gunboards.com/showthrea...-help%85%85%85 __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-12-2014, 12:14 AM	#6
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Richard, you make a good point and Ron, these "creations", like the fake Navy keep coming back. Mike Krause is convinced these are both creations of KK.