Need Identification Help

txnewb · 07-31-2013, 08:21 PM

Hello all, I am brand new here. I have inherited a Luger and know absolutely nothing about it. I have read a few threads on here and I know I am in the right place to find some information. These are the only photos I have on this computer, if you need any additional photos please let me know.

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Edward Tinker · 07-31-2013, 08:25 PM

Yes, many more pictures or lots of info.

A. It's a LP08 which is commonly called an artillery Luger
B. grips had items added, not by a German gi
C. What is year on top
D. What is serial number to include suffix
E. what is on the toggle, DWM or Erfurt

Nomadr · 07-31-2013, 08:28 PM

Welcome to the forum. Larger photos would help also. The ones you posted are way to small.

Bob

Edward Tinker · 07-31-2013, 09:11 PM

Top of the gun, the part you pull up to make the action open. The top should have letters on it and it should be stylized DWM...

mrerick · 07-31-2013, 09:41 PM

Hi Paul, and welcome to the forum.

The pictures that you are posting don't have enough detail in them. Typically, you should size a photo with at least 1024 pixels of detail along the wide or tall axis.

We need to see the top of your Luger, and photos of all the markings externally visible. You need to check to see if the numbered internal parts match the serial number.

Please ensure that your Luger is unloaded before handing it, and also photograph your empty magazine, including any markings on the base.

I'd also like to see the detail of the inlay that is on each grip... It's quite unusual.

When you take additional photos, use a tripod, and take them in indirect (shaded) sunlight without a flash. Use the closeup setting on your digital camera.

Marc

txnewb · 07-31-2013, 09:47 PM

Thanks Marc, I will refresh the thread when I get back in town and take more photos. Here is a closeup of the inlay.

Frank B · 08-01-2013, 08:09 AM

What the heck? Interesting modification to the handle on both sides ...You say inherited? Does it come with Vet bring back papers? Anything is possible so..I will wait and see what the rest say...

alanint · 08-01-2013, 08:27 AM

Although slathered in grease, the gun looks refinished, based on the soft lines, (lack of crisp edges) and dished out proofs.

I have never seen this particular Nazi eagle and swastika symbol before. It is not official, to the best of my knowledge and must have been a civilian produced piece of jewelry or similar, which was appropriated by a GI and inlaid into the grips.

alvin · 08-01-2013, 08:29 AM

True, anything is possible. But it's sure not a factory modification, nor a government contractor modification. If it's modified by a well known historical figure or involved in important historical event with provenance, that will attract history collectors.... or, if it's the instance used in a recent famous movie , that will attract some collectors.

NoncomRetired · 08-01-2013, 08:30 AM

Is that part of it's holster I see in the bottom photo?

alanint · 08-01-2013, 08:49 AM

It sure looks like a holster.

The owner should post everything they received so a true valuation can be made.

txnewb · 08-01-2013, 10:36 AM

I will post a ton of pics tomorrow when I get back into town. Yes that is a holster.

txnewb · 08-02-2013, 01:14 PM

Ok all,

Here are some additional photos of the artillery Luger and as an added bonus I have some pictures of another Luger. As always, any information is greatly appreciated. I have only one magazine and I believe it is for the standard one. There may still be more in Grandpa's safe, will have to check. As far as I can tell, all external parts are numbers matching. I will have to get someone to take it apart to confirm the inner parts.

andwaahs · 08-02-2013, 02:57 PM

Wunderbar!

mrerick · 08-02-2013, 05:26 PM

I think you have a couple of nice Lugers. An Erfurt P08 and a DWM LP08.

The lack of detail and lighting makes it very difficult to judge their finish or markings.

Sharp focus, well lit, with more resolution will help. Go to a digital camera and tripod if you're using a cellphone camera.

txnewb · 08-02-2013, 06:06 PM

Thank you mrerick. I will bust out the digital camera and replace these pictures with some better ones. One question: Any ideas on the large ink stamp on the holster?

txnewb · 08-05-2013, 10:14 PM

Ok, let's try this again.

Indirect sunlight--check
tripod--check
digital camera--check
close up mode--check

I am using a different uploading site that seems to retain more of the original detail. This first one is the Erfurt.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/9...1c852a8c_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/9...da95407f_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/9...3a4d0368_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/9...2260f607_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/9...d1a52ab8_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/9...e92fa380_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9...c88dba8b_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7364/9...a4b6dccc_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3824/9...02f8c021_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9...3e430f41_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/9...8f1be949_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/9...dd3d5c23_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5348/9...3c3ae113_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/9...f70891cc_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5446/9...0bc674ea_b.jpg

txnewb · 08-05-2013, 10:45 PM

OK, let's try the artillery model now.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/9...cd80fd61_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5486/9...b3038607_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/9...4f7f8333_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7440/9...e9265b89_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/9...1514dfff_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/9...25f7c14f_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2814/9...26739c81_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7406/9...92b73eae_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5541/9...df706c58_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/9...80d3442e_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/9...02af2f70_b.jpg
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/9...d06e181c_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/9...156a1f7d_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/9...4cffa001_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9...7b4e7f32_b.jpg
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/9...20d4a08d_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7379/9...d3e3167f_b.jpg
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/9...6104a403_b.jpg

alvin · 08-06-2013, 05:18 AM

The short Erfurt looks great. The finish is original, and even the magazine's matching!

The long one was refurbished.

Frank B · 08-06-2013, 06:34 AM

Great pics

07-31-2013, 08:21 PM	#1
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Need Identification Help Hello all, I am brand new here. I have inherited a Luger and know absolutely nothing about it. I have read a few threads on here and I know I am in the right place to find some information. These are the only photos I have on this computer, if you need any additional photos please let me know. ] Last edited by txnewb; 08-08-2013 at 09:30 PM.

07-31-2013, 08:25 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Yes, many more pictures or lots of info. A. It's a LP08 which is commonly called an artillery Luger B. grips had items added, not by a German gi C. What is year on top D. What is serial number to include suffix E. what is on the toggle, DWM or Erfurt __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-31-2013, 09:41 PM	#5
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Hi Paul, and welcome to the forum. The pictures that you are posting don't have enough detail in them. Typically, you should size a photo with at least 1024 pixels of detail along the wide or tall axis. We need to see the top of your Luger, and photos of all the markings externally visible. You need to check to see if the numbered internal parts match the serial number. Please ensure that your Luger is unloaded before handing it, and also photograph your empty magazine, including any markings on the base. I'd also like to see the detail of the inlay that is on each grip... It's quite unusual. When you take additional photos, use a tripod, and take them in indirect (shaded) sunlight without a flash. Use the closeup setting on your digital camera. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-31-2013, 09:47 PM	#6
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Marc, I will refresh the thread when I get back in town and take more photos. Here is a closeup of the inlay. Last edited by txnewb; 08-08-2013 at 09:30 PM.

08-01-2013, 08:09 AM	#7
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	What the heck? Interesting modification to the handle on both sides ...You say inherited? Does it come with Vet bring back papers? Anything is possible so..I will wait and see what the rest say... __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"

07-31-2013, 08:28 PM	#3
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Welcome to the forum. Larger photos would help also. The ones you posted are way to small. Bob

07-31-2013, 09:11 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Top of the gun, the part you pull up to make the action open. The top should have letters on it and it should be stylized DWM...

08-01-2013, 08:27 AM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Although slathered in grease, the gun looks refinished, based on the soft lines, (lack of crisp edges) and dished out proofs. I have never seen this particular Nazi eagle and swastika symbol before. It is not official, to the best of my knowledge and must have been a civilian produced piece of jewelry or similar, which was appropriated by a GI and inlaid into the grips.

08-01-2013, 08:29 AM	#9
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	True, anything is possible. But it's sure not a factory modification, nor a government contractor modification. If it's modified by a well known historical figure or involved in important historical event with provenance, that will attract history collectors.... or, if it's the instance used in a recent famous movie , that will attract some collectors.

08-01-2013, 08:30 AM	#10
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Is that part of it's holster I see in the bottom photo?

08-01-2013, 08:49 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	It sure looks like a holster. The owner should post everything they received so a true valuation can be made.

08-01-2013, 10:36 AM	#12
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I will post a ton of pics tomorrow when I get back into town. Yes that is a holster.

08-02-2013, 01:14 PM	#13
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok all, Here are some additional photos of the artillery Luger and as an added bonus I have some pictures of another Luger. As always, any information is greatly appreciated. I have only one magazine and I believe it is for the standard one. There may still be more in Grandpa's safe, will have to check. As far as I can tell, all external parts are numbers matching. I will have to get someone to take it apart to confirm the inner parts. Last edited by txnewb; 08-08-2013 at 09:30 PM.

08-02-2013, 02:57 PM	#14
andwaahs User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Norway Posts: 85 Thanks: 41 Thanked 14 Times in 9 Posts	Wunderbar!

08-02-2013, 05:26 PM	#15
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	I think you have a couple of nice Lugers. An Erfurt P08 and a DWM LP08. The lack of detail and lighting makes it very difficult to judge their finish or markings. Sharp focus, well lit, with more resolution will help. Go to a digital camera and tripod if you're using a cellphone camera. __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-02-2013, 06:06 PM	#16
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you mrerick. I will bust out the digital camera and replace these pictures with some better ones. One question: Any ideas on the large ink stamp on the holster?

08-05-2013, 10:14 PM	#17
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ok, let's try this again. Indirect sunlight--check tripod--check digital camera--check close up mode--check I am using a different uploading site that seems to retain more of the original detail. This first one is the Erfurt. http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5524/9...1c852a8c_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/9...da95407f_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/9...3a4d0368_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5520/9...2260f607_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7305/9...d1a52ab8_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/9...e92fa380_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5508/9...c88dba8b_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7364/9...a4b6dccc_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3824/9...02f8c021_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/9...3e430f41_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3673/9...8f1be949_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/9...dd3d5c23_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5348/9...3c3ae113_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7387/9...f70891cc_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5446/9...0bc674ea_b.jpg

08-05-2013, 10:45 PM	#18
txnewb User Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 13 Thanks: 4 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK, let's try the artillery model now. http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/9...cd80fd61_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5486/9...b3038607_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3827/9...4f7f8333_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7440/9...e9265b89_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/9...1514dfff_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3745/9...25f7c14f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2814/9...26739c81_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7406/9...92b73eae_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5541/9...df706c58_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/9...80d3442e_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7306/9...02af2f70_b.jpg http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5518/9...d06e181c_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2877/9...156a1f7d_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7286/9...4cffa001_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7334/9...7b4e7f32_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/9...20d4a08d_b.jpg http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7379/9...d3e3167f_b.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3744/9...6104a403_b.jpg

08-06-2013, 05:18 AM	#19
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	The short Erfurt looks great. The finish is original, and even the magazine's matching! The long one was refurbished.

08-06-2013, 06:34 AM	#20
Frank B User Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Augusta GA, aus Berlin...:) Posts: 78 Thanks: 20 Thanked 30 Times in 12 Posts	Great pics __________________ "Man muss manchmal in den sauren Apfel beißen"