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04-12-2013, 04:21 PM | #1 |
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They "LOST" my Luger.
Well thats that. The Luger that my Grandfather brought back from WWII that I just restored and was confiscated by the Gestapo..er I mean police has gone missing somehow while in their custody. My lawyer has told them they will either need to produce the gun as ordered by the court (yes I went to court and won) or they will have to pay an amount that I will later name. The police claim they have no record of the Luger being taken but I kept the receipt from when they came to raid my house so I have them by the short and curlies. The internal afairs dept is investigating this and all the officers that were involved in the raid. All the other guns are fine and accounted for and are due to be released to me in the next few weeks but the Luger is gone and somehow none of the police know what happened to it.
So thats that my grandfathers Luger is gone forever. As for value I'm thinking of claiming somewhere in the of the $10k range as it was passed down and is irreplaceable. Yes I know its not really worth that much but seeing how I think its priceless what do I do?
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04-12-2013, 04:49 PM | #2 |
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I don't think sentimental value will be taken into consideration but I hope they do. I would demand lie detector test for all officers and anyone with access to the arms/evidence room. Those that lie, demand they be fired.
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Remember, there is a price difference in its intrinsic value and 'replacement' value.
I would demand a very large amount too, as you can't just get a replacement of your grandfathers luger. Just any luger would not be the same. As a minimum, I would settle for no less than $3000 - lots of websites to point to 'mint' lugers.
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04-12-2013, 06:26 PM | #4 |
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I agree with Ron [post below].
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Your Luger has been stolen, plain and simple. Someone needs to be held accountable and damages paid. It goes beyond intrinsic value, you have been the object of a criminal fraud and the individuals responsible should be prosecuted.
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I'm with Postino.
"Then make sure your original Luger is reported as stolen. You may have to go to the State Police as your local Police may not be agreeable to reporting it stolen (understandably)." Should be reported by serial number and letter suffix. David |
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Probably in some cops safe.
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Sad that people who are sworn to protect and serve are now suspected of theft..What a World we live in.
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why did the police take the gun in the first place?
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I guess that I am not surprised, but this is really the bottom of the barrel!! First they take it illegally, and then they "lose" it.....plus they say that they have no record of it. Looks like a complete investigation of this whole situation is called for...perhaps by another police force(state).
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Wonder if you could get the ATF involved, and wouldn't that substantially shake up your local police "disappearing act" dept!
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Some things never change.there is an Roman empire saying,"But who shall guard the guards?".From reading some books on WW2, i get the impression that the more power the police have, the more corrept they are.read Schlinders list, a friend asked Schlinder if the SS could be bribed, he said "I have not found one who couldn't be bribed"
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I had a burglary in 1998 and lost several guns and many of my furnishings. Luckily I had serial numbers and pictures of my guns, and so I got most of them back. You might report your stolen pistol to your county sheriff’s office. The point is to get your gun into the national database of stolen firearms. Police usually take stolen guns seriously.
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They confiscated it because it was not registered and they "didn't like" the way the other guns were stored. The 1891 Mauser hunting rifler was hanging on the wall under my dads US flag from his funeral unloaded and not touched since we moved in almost 18 years ago. My mom had his off duty snub nose .38 in her closet with 15 rounds of ammo, my wife's .45 was in its case in the night stand unloaded but with its magazine loaded in the same case. We were told because they weren't "properly secured" they were taking them until such time they could be "properly secured". I asked them who defines properly secured and in what way, their response was that I should know and they would not give me a direct answer.
As for the ATF the detective works on the ATF's Balto Co. gun task force. The county police where I live know all about it too but none of these agencies seem to give a crap.
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Perhaps time to get involved with your Federal Congressman or Senator.
Do you know of anyone that has worked on a campaign, or that has given significant dollars to one of them? The agencies dislike inquiries from Congress even more... Marc
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Why can the local law enforcement come into your home and confiscate your personal property? Why are they even in your home? Hearing stuff like this just makes me sick. jim
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Unless theyy have a warrant tell them to take a hike.
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They came to my place because I went to the state police and asked who to register the Luger, I was told because I received it so long ago, prior to the laws that requires regulated firearms to be registered in MD were written, that I did not need to worry about it. However when I took it to the range and filled out the range form that I had a 9mm it raised a red flag because I did not have one registered to me. They came to my house and asked about it and I told them the MSP had told me and the detective said OK and left. He then went back and filed for a search warrant to search for more unregistered guns at my residence. In MD guns MUST be registered if you aquired them after 1994 (I think it was 94) or you are breaking the law. So they raided my house, 20 of em, some dressed in full on swat team gear complete with MP5's and face masks all for a old German Luger that my grand dad had passed down to my dad who gave it to me.
I currently live in Maryland and this state is about as unfriendly towards guns as it gets. The elected officials in this state have said many times they want to totally disarm everyone in the state. The 2nd Amendment has been brought up many times and they do not care. We are also currently looking for a new home out of this state.
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