Dutch Cleaning rod

wlyon · 12-24-2011, 06:20 PM

I have a Dutch cleaning rod. Inside the oiler is a disk with a felt type washer to hold it in. The head of the disk has a depression and around it are the letters C M V R 1 and a star. Any idea what this is or means? Should a Dutch rod have a provision on the end to screw in brushes? Thanks Bill

wlyon · 12-25-2011, 01:50 PM

Photos of disk - has a felt washer around it and the bottom is domed.

The top with the markings looks like a cartridge head but it is fastened to the dome bottom with felt between them.

Vlim · 12-25-2011, 04:37 PM

Bill, it actually looks like the pushbutton that was attached to the lid of the rod pouch of the holster.
I guess the rod came from Ed?

Ron Wood · 12-25-2011, 04:46 PM

Greben,
I think you may have hit the nail on the head! It appears to be one of the "snowflake" snap covers that are found on Dutch leather. I bet with some fiddeling Jerry could transplant it onto a new flap and restore the Dutch holster that Ed has/had.

Bill,
The Dutch cleaning rod I have and others I have seen do not have a provision for a screw on attachment. The only oiler top cleaning rod that I know of with a screw on tip is the Bulgarian variant.

wlyon · 12-25-2011, 05:51 PM

Very fine cap checkering. Is this OK for a Dutch? One just like it in Sturgess. Anything else catch your eye plus or minus? Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 12-25-2011, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

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I guess the rod came from Ed?

yes, and I guess he has the button that came off the holster

but I don't think it can go back on

Bill, can you make out the marking on the rod? Almost a 'w' ?

Ron Wood · 12-25-2011, 07:02 PM

Bill,
I'm not at home right now to look at my Dutch rod for comparison , but I would place a substantial bet that yours is the genuine article. Glad you got it, it is a difficult piece to find. I would expect that if there was any marking on it, it would be a "GS". I don't recall off-hand but I do not believe mine is marked at all.
I modified my observation about the snap cover. After magnifying the image, I am not sure there is the "snowflake" marking. Can you confirm?

lugerholsterrepair · 12-25-2011, 07:45 PM

Gerben is correct..This is a snap closure likely off of the holster. Stored in the grease barrel for safekeeping.

Try as I might... These little rascals are unsalvageable. They are placed by hammering them together and in doing so the interior metal locks onto itself and cannot be reversed. How I wish that were not true but it is.

I would dearly love to find a box of these new and un installed. Many artifacts could be restored..

Bill..Where/how does this rod un screw? Can you show a photo of the part that comes apart?

wlyon · 12-25-2011, 08:11 PM

Jerry
The rod does not unscrew. The cap has the Dutch straight applicator with no spade end. The cap screws into the barrel. Did this answer your question?

Ron The dome side of this does not have anything on it. No snow flake.

Ed The one mark could be a W or an E. My guess is an E.

lugerholsterrepair · 12-25-2011, 09:35 PM

Bill, That's a relief! Any rod that unscrews can't be correct and I am happy to hear your Dutch rod is all it should be! Congratulations on a super rare find.

Vlim · 12-26-2011, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Any rod that unscrews can't be correct

Not quite. Portuguese replacement rods that were locally do unscrew.

The Dutch rod looks right as rain to me. The Dutch used to run an oiled patch through the barrel, this patch was fed through the hole at the tip, while Germany used a piece of oiled flax linnen wrapped around the threads of theirs.

Ron Wood · 12-26-2011, 12:11 PM

When I got my Dutch holster, the cleaning rod was jammed into the pouch with an oiled patch still on it.

wlyon · 12-26-2011, 12:22 PM

Thanks Ron, Vlim , Jerry and Ed for your help. It is appreciated. Bill

12-24-2011, 06:20 PM	#1
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Dutch Cleaning rod I have a Dutch cleaning rod. Inside the oiler is a disk with a felt type washer to hold it in. The head of the disk has a depression and around it are the letters C M V R 1 and a star. Any idea what this is or means? Should a Dutch rod have a provision on the end to screw in brushes? Thanks Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

12-25-2011, 01:50 PM	#2
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Photos of disk - has a felt washer around it and the bottom is domed. The top with the markings looks like a cartridge head but it is fastened to the dome bottom with felt between them. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Lyon

12-25-2011, 04:46 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,034 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,239 Times in 1,718 Posts	Greben, I think you may have hit the nail on the head! It appears to be one of the "snowflake" snap covers that are found on Dutch leather. I bet with some fiddeling Jerry could transplant it onto a new flap and restore the Dutch holster that Ed has/had. Bill, The Dutch cleaning rod I have and others I have seen do not have a provision for a screw on attachment. The only oiler top cleaning rod that I know of with a screw on tip is the Bulgarian variant. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction Last edited by Ron Wood; 12-25-2011 at 07:13 PM.

12-25-2011, 05:51 PM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Very fine cap checkering. Is this OK for a Dutch? One just like it in Sturgess. Anything else catch your eye plus or minus? Thanks. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bill Lyon

12-25-2011, 07:02 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,034 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,239 Times in 1,718 Posts	Bill, I'm not at home right now to look at my Dutch rod for comparison , but I would place a substantial bet that yours is the genuine article. Glad you got it, it is a difficult piece to find. I would expect that if there was any marking on it, it would be a "GS". I don't recall off-hand but I do not believe mine is marked at all. I modified my observation about the snap cover. After magnifying the image, I am not sure there is the "snowflake" marking. Can you confirm? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-25-2011, 04:37 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Bill, it actually looks like the pushbutton that was attached to the lid of the rod pouch of the holster. I guess the rod came from Ed?

12-25-2011, 07:45 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,132 Times in 1,439 Posts	Gerben is correct..This is a snap closure likely off of the holster. Stored in the grease barrel for safekeeping. Try as I might... These little rascals are unsalvageable. They are placed by hammering them together and in doing so the interior metal locks onto itself and cannot be reversed. How I wish that were not true but it is. I would dearly love to find a box of these new and un installed. Many artifacts could be restored.. Bill..Where/how does this rod un screw? Can you show a photo of the part that comes apart? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-25-2011, 08:11 PM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Jerry The rod does not unscrew. The cap has the Dutch straight applicator with no spade end. The cap screws into the barrel. Did this answer your question? Ron The dome side of this does not have anything on it. No snow flake. Ed The one mark could be a W or an E. My guess is an E. __________________ Bill Lyon

12-25-2011, 09:35 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,132 Times in 1,439 Posts	Bill, That's a relief! Any rod that unscrews can't be correct and I am happy to hear your Dutch rod is all it should be! Congratulations on a super rare find. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

12-26-2011, 12:11 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,034 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,239 Times in 1,718 Posts	When I got my Dutch holster, the cleaning rod was jammed into the pouch with an oiled patch still on it. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-26-2011, 12:22 PM	#13
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Thanks Ron, Vlim , Jerry and Ed for your help. It is appreciated. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon