Interesting Story?

jonnyc · 07-27-2011, 10:27 AM

A guy on another site posted the following. I'm 99.9% sure I already know the answer to my own question, but...is there any shred of possibility to this story?

"My dad got it out of an arms factory in Stutgard Germany when his company comendeered the factory at the end of the war. He got 25 new lugers in a crate and brought them back to the states after the war. He gave 24 of the guns away to his friends and kept one for himself.While in the factory he had a German prisoner who was one of the gunsmiths in the plant work on the gun. He had the prisoner modify the gun to reduce the trigger pull. The normal trigger pull is suppose to be 5 to 7 lbs and the gunsmith reduced it to 2.5 lbs. As a result of the modifications the gunsmith used a couple of parts from another gun. The trigger and trigger plate is marked with a 73 while the rest of the gun is 16.
there is more to the story but that's pretty much the history of the gun."

lugerholsterrepair · 07-27-2011, 10:54 AM

An elaborate BS explination on why the pistol is mismatched. If it's true..cough up the luger crate and prove it.

Anyway..who would give away 25 Lugers to Friends? The whole story has too many holes in it to even begin to believe it.

John Sabato · 07-27-2011, 02:05 PM

That original empty crate would likely be worth as much or more than the Luger. BTW, Lugers were not manufactured in Stuttgart to the best of my knowledge. I also don't think that a crate held "25" Lugers... It would likely have been some even number ending in a "0" like "10" or "20" or "30"... I vote BS like Jerry.

Patronen · 07-27-2011, 02:17 PM

I wouldn't even give away 1 out of a crate of 25 free Hi-Points even after I won the lottery. The rest of the story sounds odd. My vote is it's a BS story.

jonnyc · 07-27-2011, 02:38 PM

Well, you guys have totally dispelled my tiny .1% hesitancy.

wlyon · 07-27-2011, 05:18 PM

And tomorrow boys and girls Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Bill

Conny · 07-27-2011, 05:21 PM

I'm not a luger expert nor do I own one at present nor do I play one on TV but, I know BS when I read/hear it.

Reads like the crap from Jackson Armory on Gunbroker.

command450 · 07-27-2011, 05:26 PM

a luger crate.......that would be cool !!

best part was......he had to use some other parts,to do the job !

alanint · 07-27-2011, 06:26 PM

Right...a gunsmith who is AT THE FACTORY and has no access to blank sideplates and dies to number the gun properly once he is done with it. I think a German of that era would rather die than turn out a mismatched gun purposely.

mrerick · 07-27-2011, 07:50 PM

And the old adage, "Buy the gun, not the story" applies, as always.

If buying it, a "shooter" price for a mismatched "shooter" luger would be appropriate...

I always enjoy these stories at shows. I know that this was from a posting on another site, but these are often heard in person when the seller wants the price to go up a little... or a lot!

Marc

jonnyc · 07-27-2011, 09:52 PM

It's a guy who inherited the pistol and wants to know why it keeps jamming on him.

lugerholsterrepair · 07-28-2011, 10:38 AM

Johnny..

It's a guy who inherited the pistol and wants to know why it keeps jamming on him.

Cause his Father gave away all the good ones.

John Sabato · 07-28-2011, 02:58 PM

The gun jams? Then the price just came down a few notches

jonnyc · 07-28-2011, 09:05 PM

Guys,
It's not for sale, that I know of, and I sure ain't buying.

jonnyc · 07-28-2011, 11:25 PM

Ooooh...more got added, enjoy:

"As I said earlier my dad got this PO8 at a German arms factory at the end of the war in Europe. He had some interesting stories that some may be interested in.
Just after finding the guns at the factory his company captured a German SS officer. He was disarmed and my dad through all of the German weapons in a big pile to be destroyed later. He did keep the SS officer's Luger holster to have for his new found PO8. I have that holster today. The SS officer's name is scratched in the leather and it reads "S/S Reisling".
During the war in Europe my dad told me that after a battle with the Germans, the GI's (attending to the wounded and dead) would often find Lugers laying around on the ground, and a lot of the GI's had their 1911's missing. Apparently the front line Germans didn't like the Lugers because they were very prone to jamming when dirty. They would take the 1911's from the dead and wounded GI's but they would leave the holster's behind. The German soldiers were afraid of the SS officers and didn't want them to see that they had a 1911 so they used their Luger holsters that had a flap or lid so no one would see what they had. The problem was that the 1911 is a much larger gun than the luger and they would have to jam it into the luger holster. When it cam time to use the 1911 they needed both hands and lots of tugging to get it out of the holster. Sometimes making it totally unusable. Go figure.
He told me that some of the American officers used the luger. They like it because it was a bit more accurate than the 1911. Some of them just used the Lugers to taunt the German prisoners. The 1911 however was the weapon of choice for the front line GI's. It wasn't particularly accurate but apparently it didn't need to be because if somebody got hit on any part of their body it would at least knock them over and incapacitate them, where the Luger load (as long as it didn't hit a vital organ) would just pass through and not necessarily knock you down. The Germans thought the Luger was better for tapping a man or woman in the back of the head so they could get 2 with only one shot. (My dad's theory. He didn't have much regard, to say the least, for SS troops )"

Sieger · 07-29-2011, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyc

Ooooh...more got added, enjoy:

"As I said earlier my dad got this PO8 at a German arms factory at the end of the war in Europe. He had some interesting stories that some may be interested in.
Just after finding the guns at the factory his company captured a German SS officer. He was disarmed and my dad through all of the German weapons in a big pile to be destroyed later. He did keep the SS officer's Luger holster to have for his new found PO8. I have that holster today. The SS officer's name is scratched in the leather and it reads "S/S Reisling".
During the war in Europe my dad told me that after a battle with the Germans, the GI's (attending to the wounded and dead) would often find Lugers laying around on the ground, and a lot of the GI's had their 1911's missing. Apparently the front line Germans didn't like the Lugers because they were very prone to jamming when dirty. They would take the 1911's from the dead and wounded GI's but they would leave the holster's behind. The German soldiers were afraid of the SS officers and didn't want them to see that they had a 1911 so they used their Luger holsters that had a flap or lid so no one would see what they had. The problem was that the 1911 is a much larger gun than the luger and they would have to jam it into the luger holster. When it cam time to use the 1911 they needed both hands and lots of tugging to get it out of the holster. Sometimes making it totally unusable. Go figure.
He told me that some of the American officers used the luger. They like it because it was a bit more accurate than the 1911. Some of them just used the Lugers to taunt the German prisoners. The 1911 however was the weapon of choice for the front line GI's. It wasn't particularly accurate but apparently it didn't need to be because if somebody got hit on any part of their body it would at least knock them over and incapacitate them, where the Luger load (as long as it didn't hit a vital organ) would just pass through and not necessarily knock you down. The Germans thought the Luger was better for tapping a man or woman in the back of the head so they could get 2 with only one shot. (My dad's theory. He didn't have much regard, to say the least, for SS troops )"

I'm sorry, but this also sound like BS.

By the way, a Reisling is a grape used in the fine German white wines.

Sieger

alanint · 07-29-2011, 07:59 AM

Let's not forget that not all vets were good guys. Liars, thieves and murderers were drafted too.

Either this guy has a very rose colored recollection of his dad's war stories or the old man had a ball BSing the kid. This latest addition is a mostly a mix of post war myths and outright fabrications.

jonnyc · 07-29-2011, 09:15 AM

All true, Gents, but it is entertaining.

alanint · 07-29-2011, 11:18 AM

Anybody want to jam a 1911 into a Luger Holster for us to see if it takes both hands to prie it free?

tau-delt · 07-31-2011, 06:36 PM

I'm an old guy and don't get out much but somehow I just kind of knew that there would be an SS officer someplace in this deal....

07-27-2011, 10:27 AM	#1
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Interesting Story? A guy on another site posted the following. I'm 99.9% sure I already know the answer to my own question, but...is there any shred of possibility to this story? "My dad got it out of an arms factory in Stutgard Germany when his company comendeered the factory at the end of the war. He got 25 new lugers in a crate and brought them back to the states after the war. He gave 24 of the guns away to his friends and kept one for himself.While in the factory he had a German prisoner who was one of the gunsmiths in the plant work on the gun. He had the prisoner modify the gun to reduce the trigger pull. The normal trigger pull is suppose to be 5 to 7 lbs and the gunsmith reduced it to 2.5 lbs. As a result of the modifications the gunsmith used a couple of parts from another gun. The trigger and trigger plate is marked with a 73 while the rest of the gun is 16. there is more to the story but that's pretty much the history of the gun."

07-27-2011, 10:54 AM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	An elaborate BS explination on why the pistol is mismatched. If it's true..cough up the luger crate and prove it. Anyway..who would give away 25 Lugers to Friends? The whole story has too many holes in it to even begin to believe it. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-27-2011, 02:05 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	That original empty crate would likely be worth as much or more than the Luger. BTW, Lugers were not manufactured in Stuttgart to the best of my knowledge. I also don't think that a crate held "25" Lugers... It would likely have been some even number ending in a "0" like "10" or "20" or "30"... I vote BS like Jerry. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-27-2011, 05:18 PM	#6
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,655 Thanks: 3,212 Thanked 2,619 Times in 971 Posts	And tomorrow boys and girls Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

07-27-2011, 05:21 PM	#7
Conny User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Culpeper, Va. Posts: 279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 26 Times in 13 Posts	I'm not a luger expert nor do I own one at present nor do I play one on TV but, I know BS when I read/hear it. Reads like the crap from Jackson Armory on Gunbroker. __________________ Rangers Lead the Way, Duane Leiker

07-27-2011, 02:17 PM	#4
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	I wouldn't even give away 1 out of a crate of 25 free Hi-Points even after I won the lottery. The rest of the story sounds odd. My vote is it's a BS story.

07-27-2011, 02:38 PM	#5
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Well, you guys have totally dispelled my tiny .1% hesitancy.

07-27-2011, 05:26 PM	#8
command450 User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Michigan Posts: 38 Thanks: 16 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	a luger crate.......that would be cool !! best part was......he had to use some other parts,to do the job !

07-27-2011, 06:26 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Right...a gunsmith who is AT THE FACTORY and has no access to blank sideplates and dies to number the gun properly once he is done with it. I think a German of that era would rather die than turn out a mismatched gun purposely.

07-27-2011, 07:50 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	And the old adage, "Buy the gun, not the story" applies, as always. If buying it, a "shooter" price for a mismatched "shooter" luger would be appropriate... I always enjoy these stories at shows. I know that this was from a posting on another site, but these are often heard in person when the seller wants the price to go up a little... or a lot! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

07-27-2011, 09:52 PM	#11
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	It's a guy who inherited the pistol and wants to know why it keeps jamming on him.

07-28-2011, 10:38 AM	#12
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Johnny.. It's a guy who inherited the pistol and wants to know why it keeps jamming on him. Cause his Father gave away all the good ones. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

07-28-2011, 02:58 PM	#13
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	The gun jams? Then the price just came down a few notches __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

07-28-2011, 09:05 PM	#14
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Guys, It's not for sale, that I know of, and I sure ain't buying.

07-28-2011, 11:25 PM	#15
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	Ooooh...more got added, enjoy: "As I said earlier my dad got this PO8 at a German arms factory at the end of the war in Europe. He had some interesting stories that some may be interested in. Just after finding the guns at the factory his company captured a German SS officer. He was disarmed and my dad through all of the German weapons in a big pile to be destroyed later. He did keep the SS officer's Luger holster to have for his new found PO8. I have that holster today. The SS officer's name is scratched in the leather and it reads "S/S Reisling". During the war in Europe my dad told me that after a battle with the Germans, the GI's (attending to the wounded and dead) would often find Lugers laying around on the ground, and a lot of the GI's had their 1911's missing. Apparently the front line Germans didn't like the Lugers because they were very prone to jamming when dirty. They would take the 1911's from the dead and wounded GI's but they would leave the holster's behind. The German soldiers were afraid of the SS officers and didn't want them to see that they had a 1911 so they used their Luger holsters that had a flap or lid so no one would see what they had. The problem was that the 1911 is a much larger gun than the luger and they would have to jam it into the luger holster. When it cam time to use the 1911 they needed both hands and lots of tugging to get it out of the holster. Sometimes making it totally unusable. Go figure. He told me that some of the American officers used the luger. They like it because it was a bit more accurate than the 1911. Some of them just used the Lugers to taunt the German prisoners. The 1911 however was the weapon of choice for the front line GI's. It wasn't particularly accurate but apparently it didn't need to be because if somebody got hit on any part of their body it would at least knock them over and incapacitate them, where the Luger load (as long as it didn't hit a vital organ) would just pass through and not necessarily knock you down. The Germans thought the Luger was better for tapping a man or woman in the back of the head so they could get 2 with only one shot. (My dad's theory. He didn't have much regard, to say the least, for SS troops )"

07-29-2011, 07:59 AM	#17
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Let's not forget that not all vets were good guys. Liars, thieves and murderers were drafted too. Either this guy has a very rose colored recollection of his dad's war stories or the old man had a ball BSing the kid. This latest addition is a mostly a mix of post war myths and outright fabrications.

07-29-2011, 09:15 AM	#18
jonnyc User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 425 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 34 Posts	All true, Gents, but it is entertaining.

07-29-2011, 11:18 AM	#19
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Anybody want to jam a 1911 into a Luger Holster for us to see if it takes both hands to prie it free? Last edited by alanint; 07-31-2011 at 06:39 PM.

07-31-2011, 06:36 PM	#20
tau-delt User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 106 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	I'm an old guy and don't get out much but somehow I just kind of knew that there would be an SS officer someplace in this deal.... __________________ dave