another nickle

evrenay · 06-24-2011, 02:26 AM

Please have a look at this chrome or nickel plated Luger: http://www.tabancatufek.com/forum2/s...d.php?tid=6990

I asked to an expert and he said me the serial numbers do not match with post WW2 productions (say, it was stamped later on by someone), however I couldn't be sure if the nickel (or chrome) plating is an original Mauser is or done by a gun-smith here in Turkey.

What is your opinion?
So, here are the detailed photos of nickel P 08.

Edward Tinker · 06-24-2011, 02:49 AM

helllo, I moved your question to its own thread.

It would be better to post your pictures here and not take us to a foreign website

So, I assume that your question is, is the nickle original.

Same as the luger originally talked about. NO

Lugers, never, ever came from the factory nickle plated, never. a very few were done up as presentations, but never issued this way.

ed

evrenay · 06-24-2011, 02:57 AM

Thank you very much for carrying my misposted thread and I apologize for the inconvenience.

My question is/was if the Luger was nickel plated later on by Mauserwerke. Because I read that after 70's Mauser did plating job for individual customers for their Lugers. What I mean is, one sends his Luger to Mauser and gets it back as nickel or chrome plated back.

I didn't mean that the pistol was nickel plates as it was manufactured.

I will copy the links of the photos to Lugerforum, as soon as I have time.

Vlim · 06-24-2011, 02:59 AM

Hi,

It is a post war Mauser Parabellum and it certainly didn't leave the factory this way. Mauser offered a matte hardchromed version of the pistol, but these showed a more satin like finish. Since the chrome layer adds metal to the parts, the pistols finished in the Mauser plant were specially prepared for chroming. The tolerances were adjusted and the individual toggle parts were numbered to the pistol. Chroming was done by Mauser's sister company, the Mauser Messzeug GmbH (the tooling division).

The Mauser shown on the Turkish site has had it's serial number and position altered, which is a good indication that Mauser was not involved.

Balder · 06-24-2011, 11:48 AM

I'm certainly no expert, but it looks like the ""chrome/nickel" finish could actually be steel in the white. In other words - the blueing has been ground/polished off.

Balder

Vlim · 06-24-2011, 04:46 PM

The photos show some traces of blueing beneath the finish. On some spots it appears to be flaking a bit, so I'm pretty confident that it has been chrome plated.

ithacaartist · 06-24-2011, 05:58 PM

Hi evrenay,
You have posted a nicely comprehensive batch of photos for this poor gun. Wherever it was plated, whoever prepared it for the process, I am afraid, did not do a very good job. Because you took such good pics, one can see every mark, grain, and gall left by the preparer's files, not to mention sanding/grinding swirls. This treatment could have come out lots better, and guns that have had their surfaces carefully smoothed can be quite handsome (although it knocks down the value quite a bit for hardcore collectors to alter one in this way), and I feel bad for you that this one lacks such attention to detail. But since it is a post-war Mauser, I think what affects its value most is that the plating was done poorly, not simply that it was done at all. IMHO.

06-24-2011, 02:26 AM	#1
evrenay User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Eskişehir/Türkiye Posts: 45 Thanks: 1 Thanked 18 Times in 4 Posts	another nickle Please have a look at this chrome or nickel plated Luger: http://www.tabancatufek.com/forum2/s...d.php?tid=6990 I asked to an expert and he said me the serial numbers do not match with post WW2 productions (say, it was stamped later on by someone), however I couldn't be sure if the nickel (or chrome) plating is an original Mauser is or done by a gun-smith here in Turkey. What is your opinion? So, here are the detailed photos of nickel P 08. Last edited by evrenay; 06-24-2011 at 05:14 AM.

06-24-2011, 02:49 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,926 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,523 Times in 2,089 Posts	helllo, I moved your question to its own thread. It would be better to post your pictures here and not take us to a foreign website So, I assume that your question is, is the nickle original. Same as the luger originally talked about. NO Lugers, never, ever came from the factory nickle plated, never. a very few were done up as presentations, but never issued this way. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-24-2011, 05:58 PM	#7
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,323 Thanks: 7,193 Thanked 2,537 Times in 1,350 Posts	Prep of surface finish for chroming` Hi evrenay, You have posted a nicely comprehensive batch of photos for this poor gun. Wherever it was plated, whoever prepared it for the process, I am afraid, did not do a very good job. Because you took such good pics, one can see every mark, grain, and gall left by the preparer's files, not to mention sanding/grinding swirls. This treatment could have come out lots better, and guns that have had their surfaces carefully smoothed can be quite handsome (although it knocks down the value quite a bit for hardcore collectors to alter one in this way), and I feel bad for you that this one lacks such attention to detail. But since it is a post-war Mauser, I think what affects its value most is that the plating was done poorly, not simply that it was done at all. IMHO. Last edited by ithacaartist; 06-24-2011 at 06:00 PM. Reason: correction

06-24-2011, 02:57 AM	#3
evrenay User Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Eskişehir/Türkiye Posts: 45 Thanks: 1 Thanked 18 Times in 4 Posts	Thank you very much for carrying my misposted thread and I apologize for the inconvenience. My question is/was if the Luger was nickel plated later on by Mauserwerke. Because I read that after 70's Mauser did plating job for individual customers for their Lugers. What I mean is, one sends his Luger to Mauser and gets it back as nickel or chrome plated back. I didn't mean that the pistol was nickel plates as it was manufactured. I will copy the links of the photos to Lugerforum, as soon as I have time.

06-24-2011, 02:59 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, It is a post war Mauser Parabellum and it certainly didn't leave the factory this way. Mauser offered a matte hardchromed version of the pistol, but these showed a more satin like finish. Since the chrome layer adds metal to the parts, the pistols finished in the Mauser plant were specially prepared for chroming. The tolerances were adjusted and the individual toggle parts were numbered to the pistol. Chroming was done by Mauser's sister company, the Mauser Messzeug GmbH (the tooling division). The Mauser shown on the Turkish site has had it's serial number and position altered, which is a good indication that Mauser was not involved.

06-24-2011, 11:48 AM	#5
Balder User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 288 Thanks: 20 Thanked 34 Times in 19 Posts	I'm certainly no expert, but it looks like the ""chrome/nickel" finish could actually be steel in the white. In other words - the blueing has been ground/polished off. Balder

06-24-2011, 04:46 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	The photos show some traces of blueing beneath the finish. On some spots it appears to be flaking a bit, so I'm pretty confident that it has been chrome plated.