Confused newbie

Kystos · 06-10-2009, 07:41 PM

First of all, greetings to all you Luger enthusiasts.

I recently came into possession of my grandfather's P08 and was looking around the internet for more information about it when I found this forum.

My (very) limited knowledge leads me to believe it's a pre-1910 commercial 9mm DWM-made gun, but I'm kind of lost in all the markings and wealth of information available on the internet.

I have a few pictures that might help you help me.

Thanks.

sheepherder · 06-10-2009, 07:45 PM

Wow...that's the best looking serial number this year...

But I expect that Ed will have some words about the pics...

Edward Tinker · 06-10-2009, 08:04 PM

Sorry, a 1910 would not have a stock lug.

I expect it to be either a WW1 that has been redone by Simson (thus the eagle 6) or a Alphabet Luger made around 1926 or so and then redone by Simson...

A picture of the top, showing the date or lack of a date would help

Ed

Kystos · 06-11-2009, 04:41 AM

That's the thing, there's no date at the top. That's what lead me to think it was pre-1910. But as I said, I'm new to it all.

Here's the top.

DavidJayUden · 06-11-2009, 08:16 AM

How's about some more pictures of where the date is supposed to be.
I'm thinking it has been removed.
DJU

Lugerdoc · 06-11-2009, 09:21 AM

Kystos, Judging from the toggle assy (double c/U pre 1940 Mauser commerical or contract breech block with "purpleish" extractor, typical of 1938 or 39 finish, Commerical DWM mid link (should be numbered inside), and Simson proofed rear link, and the serials on the frame appear to be Mauser dies); you probably have a "Heinz 57" mismatched shooter. If the rest of your luger matches, other than the toggle assy, it's possible that the correct Mauser Banner toggle might match it up. A close up photo of the marks on top, right & left side of the receiver would be helpful. TH

Kystos · 06-11-2009, 09:42 AM

So, what you're saying is it's quite possible it was pieced together using parts taken from other guns?
That's would explain why I've been so perplexed by the different markings. (Well, that and inexperience, obviously).

I'll try to get more pictures soon, but my camera's a bit cheap, I'm not sure if it'll help at all...

More pictures:

06-10-2009, 07:41 PM	#1
Kystos New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Confused newbie First of all, greetings to all you Luger enthusiasts. I recently came into possession of my grandfather's P08 and was looking around the internet for more information about it when I found this forum. My (very) limited knowledge leads me to believe it's a pre-1910 commercial 9mm DWM-made gun, but I'm kind of lost in all the markings and wealth of information available on the internet. I have a few pictures that might help you help me. Thanks.

06-10-2009, 08:04 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Sorry, a 1910 would not have a stock lug. I expect it to be either a WW1 that has been redone by Simson (thus the eagle 6) or a Alphabet Luger made around 1926 or so and then redone by Simson... A picture of the top, showing the date or lack of a date would help Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-11-2009, 09:21 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Kystos, Judging from the toggle assy (double c/U pre 1940 Mauser commerical or contract breech block with "purpleish" extractor, typical of 1938 or 39 finish, Commerical DWM mid link (should be numbered inside), and Simson proofed rear link, and the serials on the frame appear to be Mauser dies); you probably have a "Heinz 57" mismatched shooter. If the rest of your luger matches, other than the toggle assy, it's possible that the correct Mauser Banner toggle might match it up. A close up photo of the marks on top, right & left side of the receiver would be helpful. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-11-2009, 09:42 AM	#7
Kystos New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So, what you're saying is it's quite possible it was pieced together using parts taken from other guns? That's would explain why I've been so perplexed by the different markings. (Well, that and inexperience, obviously). I'll try to get more pictures soon, but my camera's a bit cheap, I'm not sure if it'll help at all... More pictures: Last edited by Kystos; 06-11-2009 at 10:12 AM. Reason: added pics

06-10-2009, 07:45 PM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Wow...that's the best looking serial number this year... But I expect that Ed will have some words about the pics...

06-11-2009, 04:41 AM	#4
Kystos New User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That's the thing, there's no date at the top. That's what lead me to think it was pre-1910. But as I said, I'm new to it all. Here's the top.

06-11-2009, 08:16 AM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	How's about some more pictures of where the date is supposed to be. I'm thinking it has been removed. DJU