armorers cleaning rod

farmertom · 02-18-2009, 01:06 AM

Hello,
since the Reichswehr was not allowed to have any Sub Machine Guns I assume this short (10 inch) armorers cleaning rod was for the Artillery Luger. It is nicely marked with Reichswehr acceptance stamp (eagle/SU58) and manufacturer (RK).
The rod is unit marked with MW/J.R.4.2.
Tom

Vlim · 02-18-2009, 06:19 AM

Hi,

What the Reichswehr was not allowed to have and what they didn't have are two completely different things.

They were quite good in hiding their material from the Allied Control Commision.
Nice cleaning rod, but I doubt it was solely used or intended for the LP08.

George Anderson · 02-18-2009, 08:07 AM

The Reichswehr was not forbidden to have submachine guns.

Vlim · 02-18-2009, 08:13 AM

That reminds me,

The 1928 police manuals describe the MP18 and MG08, amongst others.

farmertom · 02-18-2009, 02:37 PM

Hello,
the Police was allowed to have SMG's, but not the Army.
Does anybody know what "SU" means?
Some say: "Simson Ulbrecht" others say SpandaU.
Thanks
Tom

Ron Smith · 02-18-2009, 03:13 PM

Your rod is marked MW/J.R.4.2. Minenwerfer Abteilung (mine thrower detachment) Infantry Regiment 4 weapon #2

Ron

George Anderson · 02-18-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmertom

Hello,
the Police was allowed to have SMG's, but not the Army.
Does anybody know what "SU" means?
Some say: "Simson Ulbrecht" others say SpandaU.
Thanks
Tom

Tom, I will bet you a steak dinner for two that you can not site the section or paragraph of the Versailles Treaty that forbids submachine guns to the Reichswehr. Another urban legend is the supposed banning of long barreled pistols.

As I recall the only weapons specifically banned were certain large calibre siege artillery, aircraft, capital naval vessels, tanks and maybe gas filled projectiles. And of course about two hundred divisions.

farmertom · 02-18-2009, 04:18 PM

Hello,
if it is not for an Artillery Luger or SEL, even more scarce.
MP18 or MP28? Sooner or later we will find out.
Thanks
Tom

farmertom · 02-18-2009, 04:23 PM

Hello,
@George Anderson
let me have a look in my files. If I loose that bet, I owe you a steak dinner for two! No matter where! Over here in Germany or in the USA! ;-)
best regards and good collecting
Tom

lugerholsterrepair · 02-18-2009, 04:41 PM

Boy...I wouldn't bet against George Anderson if I were you...He likes a mighty fine steak...

Jerry Burney

tenbears · 02-18-2009, 10:27 PM

You don't come across a unit marked cleaning rod to often nice rod whatever it is.

farmertom · 02-19-2009, 10:45 AM

Hello,
got this photo today.
I think we now know what it is.
About the steak dinner, I'll be back soon. ;-)
Tom

Lugerdoc · 02-19-2009, 11:39 AM

George A & Farmer T, I believe that you'll find something in the section concerning the production of new weapons. As I recall, new pistols (except for replacement of one of the 100K allowed) had to have bores of less than 9mm and no longer than 98mms. TH PS: Most if not all of the long (up to 22 inches) barrelled 20 commerical that we see, had the long barrels installed here in the USA by either Stoeger or Pacaific Arms. They would also rebarrel to 9mm in various lengths with "Germany" marked barrels supplied seperately (thus the need for the country of origina marking) by DWM. TH

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farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, got this photo today. I think we now know what it is. About the steak dinner, I'll be back soon. ;-) Tom Attached Thumbnails

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	George A & Farmer T, I believe that you'll find something in the section concerning the production of new weapons. As I recall, new pistols (except for replacement of one of the 100K allowed) had to have bores of less than 9mm and no longer than 98mms. TH PS: Most if not all of the long (up to 22 inches) barrelled 20 commerical that we see, had the long barrels installed here in the USA by either Stoeger or Pacaific Arms. They would also rebarrel to 9mm in various lengths with "Germany" marked barrels supplied seperately (thus the need for the country of origina marking) by DWM. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-18-2009, 06:19 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, What the Reichswehr was not allowed to have and what they didn't have are two completely different things. They were quite good in hiding their material from the Allied Control Commision. Nice cleaning rod, but I doubt it was solely used or intended for the LP08.

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	The Reichswehr was not forbidden to have submachine guns.

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Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	That reminds me, The 1928 police manuals describe the MP18 and MG08, amongst others.

02-18-2009, 02:37 PM	#5
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, the Police was allowed to have SMG's, but not the Army. Does anybody know what "SU" means? Some say: "Simson Ulbrecht" others say SpandaU. Thanks Tom

02-18-2009, 04:18 PM	#8
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, if it is not for an Artillery Luger or SEL, even more scarce. MP18 or MP28? Sooner or later we will find out. Thanks Tom

02-18-2009, 04:23 PM	#9
farmertom User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello, @George Anderson let me have a look in my files. If I loose that bet, I owe you a steak dinner for two! No matter where! Over here in Germany or in the USA! ;-) best regards and good collecting Tom

02-18-2009, 10:27 PM	#11
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	You don't come across a unit marked cleaning rod to often nice rod whatever it is.