Luger Dummy Needs Help

DOUBLEK · 05-29-2008, 01:47 AM

I have an opportunity to trade for a Erfurt 1916 Luger and I know absolutely nothing about Lugers. Can anyone give me a hand in identifying this gun and maybe give me some ideas about it's history and what the value might be. I have added pictures which I hope will help. You can e-mail me direct with your ideas and information or just post them here if you like. Thank you. Kirby

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010017-2.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010014-2.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010008-2.jpg

DOUBLEK · 05-29-2008, 01:56 AM

SORRY, FORGOT THE E-MAIL ADDRESS. JUST DROP ALL THE X'S FROM THE ADDRESS WHEN YOU E-MAIL xxxkelleyspc@charter.netxxx THANK YOU.

policeluger · 05-29-2008, 02:05 AM

Kirby, there may be a lot of good here, we'll take it bit by bit and see, the frame is Bulgarian marked and in its self may be worth several hundred, however the gun looks typical East German mis-matched and dip blued, it would be very interesting to see how the extractor is marked, if it is also Bulgarian it again would be of considerable value. Then there are the grip, of which we would need a detailed picture of the back side, but if original "black widow" then again worth big bucks....I do not know what the trade deal is, perhaps you can let us know, but I think you may have some neat stuff here.......hope this helps and hope others jump in here

Edward Tinker · 05-29-2008, 07:43 AM

Kirby, welcome to the forum. Generally we prefer photos to be displayed here on this forum, so members do not have to leave and visit other sites to view pictures.

Also, since folks have to be members, adding xxx's or other tricks to the email is just more work for the member trying to answer you, as most folks on the forum may not understand how to edit a hyperlink....

Ed

DOUBLEK · 05-29-2008, 10:53 AM

Thank you for the information. Hopefully I can provide a little more information. According to the owner the grips are black plastic. I will attach some more pictures with this post in hope that they might shed some more light of this situation. Thanks again for your help. Kirby

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010013-2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010015-2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010016-2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010017-2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/P1010112.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/P1010113.jpg

John Sabato · 05-29-2008, 01:01 PM

Sorry to say that the grips are early reproductions of the bakelite type grip. They are poor quality plastic, and considered ugly by many (including me) but if they are grips comfortable in your hand, and are not loose, they will do for a shooter and should give good service.

Went Blakely · 05-29-2008, 01:23 PM

I have the same pair on a replica here i'm fixing up for my nephew, agreed they are horrid things. They got wipped off asap and replaced with some original style checkered walnut

DOUBLEK · 05-29-2008, 03:26 PM

Is the gun worth anywhere near $750.00? Should I go ahead with the trade? Help!!!!!!! Kirby

policeluger · 05-29-2008, 10:16 PM

Sorry more did not jump in and offer help, $750 would be at the top end of what I would want to give for this gun.....hope it helps

DOUBLEK · 05-30-2008, 02:41 AM

Thank you policeluger, that is what I needed to know.

policeluger · 05-30-2008, 10:36 AM

Let us know if you get it...it is always handy to list where in the world you are, perhaps you live close to a menber who would be willing to help.....best to you

05-29-2008, 01:47 AM	#1
DOUBLEK User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger Dummy Needs Help I have an opportunity to trade for a Erfurt 1916 Luger and I know absolutely nothing about Lugers. Can anyone give me a hand in identifying this gun and maybe give me some ideas about it's history and what the value might be. I have added pictures which I hope will help. You can e-mail me direct with your ideas and information or just post them here if you like. Thank you. Kirby http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010017-2.jpg http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010014-2.jpg http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...P1010008-2.jpg

05-29-2008, 07:43 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Kirby, welcome to the forum. Generally we prefer photos to be displayed here on this forum, so members do not have to leave and visit other sites to view pictures. Also, since folks have to be members, adding xxx's or other tricks to the email is just more work for the member trying to answer you, as most folks on the forum may not understand how to edit a hyperlink.... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-29-2008, 01:01 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry to say that the grips are early reproductions of the bakelite type grip. They are poor quality plastic, and considered ugly by many (including me) but if they are grips comfortable in your hand, and are not loose, they will do for a shooter and should give good service. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-29-2008, 01:23 PM	#7
Went Blakely User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 231 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts	I have the same pair on a replica here i'm fixing up for my nephew, agreed they are horrid things. They got wipped off asap and replaced with some original style checkered walnut __________________ Went Blakely

05-29-2008, 01:56 AM	#2
DOUBLEK User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	SORRY, FORGOT THE E-MAIL ADDRESS. JUST DROP ALL THE X'S FROM THE ADDRESS WHEN YOU E-MAIL xxxkelleyspc@charter.netxxx THANK YOU.

05-29-2008, 02:05 AM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Kirby, there may be a lot of good here, we'll take it bit by bit and see, the frame is Bulgarian marked and in its self may be worth several hundred, however the gun looks typical East German mis-matched and dip blued, it would be very interesting to see how the extractor is marked, if it is also Bulgarian it again would be of considerable value. Then there are the grip, of which we would need a detailed picture of the back side, but if original "black widow" then again worth big bucks....I do not know what the trade deal is, perhaps you can let us know, but I think you may have some neat stuff here.......hope this helps and hope others jump in here

05-29-2008, 10:53 AM	#5
DOUBLEK User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you for the information. Hopefully I can provide a little more information. According to the owner the grips are black plastic. I will attach some more pictures with this post in hope that they might shed some more light of this situation. Thanks again for your help. Kirby http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010013-2.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010015-2.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010016-2.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...P1010017-2.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/P1010112.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...r/P1010113.jpg

05-29-2008, 03:26 PM	#8
DOUBLEK User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Is the gun worth anywhere near $750.00? Should I go ahead with the trade? Help!!!!!!! Kirby

05-29-2008, 10:16 PM	#9
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Sorry more did not jump in and offer help, $750 would be at the top end of what I would want to give for this gun.....hope it helps

05-30-2008, 02:41 AM	#10
DOUBLEK User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you policeluger, that is what I needed to know.

05-30-2008, 10:36 AM	#11
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Let us know if you get it...it is always handy to list where in the world you are, perhaps you live close to a menber who would be willing to help.....best to you