byf 1938

guy sajer · 03-21-2008, 12:49 PM

Found what I assume is an import [VOPO ?] P.08 9mm . Black plastic grips with "circles" . Refinish , rough bore . Typical of a lot of imports I've seen over the years .

1938 chamber . byf toggle
sn 4242c
C/N on toggle & under bbl . Serial numbers are in the usual military locations .
E/63 proofs RH side bbl extension
C/U on LH side frame & bbl extension , then there is a somewhat elaborate eagle type stamp over that .

More or less just curious "what it is" ? Contract gun maybe ?

Thank you .

John Sabato · 03-21-2008, 01:47 PM

Parts gun... probably rebuilt using spare parts by East German VOPO

byf is the wrong toggle for 1938...

guy sajer · 03-21-2008, 02:06 PM

I wondered about the byf , but it's numbered like the rest so it threw me . The proofs on the LH side are unlike any German military marks I've seen . Being on the frame & bbl ext seemed unusual . Are you saying these are post war applied ?

Thanks for the quick reply John .

Vlim · 03-21-2008, 02:20 PM

Hi,

Indeed sounds like a VoPo rebuild that got a crown/N proof on the barrel after the installation of a fresh barrel (if the barrel only has a crown/N proof and no serial number or 8,8-something marking).

Photos would help a lot.

guy sajer · 03-21-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren

Photos would help a lot.

Sorry about that

Thanks for the feedback ! I'll take a closer look tomorrow at work .

Lugerdoc · 03-23-2008, 01:14 PM

Guy, The horizontal eagle over double crown U is the postwar DDR test fire proofing. TH

guy sajer · 03-23-2008, 02:46 PM

Thanks Tom . I should've figured that as soon as I saw the black plastic VoPo grips .

03-21-2008, 12:49 PM	#1
guy sajer User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 66 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	byf 1938 Found what I assume is an import [VOPO ?] P.08 9mm . Black plastic grips with "circles" . Refinish , rough bore . Typical of a lot of imports I've seen over the years . 1938 chamber . byf toggle sn 4242c C/N on toggle & under bbl . Serial numbers are in the usual military locations . E/63 proofs RH side bbl extension C/U on LH side frame & bbl extension , then there is a somewhat elaborate eagle type stamp over that . More or less just curious "what it is" ? Contract gun maybe ? Thank you . __________________ Mitch

03-21-2008, 01:47 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Parts gun... probably rebuilt using spare parts by East German VOPO byf is the wrong toggle for 1938... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-21-2008, 02:06 PM	#3
guy sajer User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 66 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I wondered about the byf , but it's numbered like the rest so it threw me . The proofs on the LH side are unlike any German military marks I've seen . Being on the frame & bbl ext seemed unusual . Are you saying these are post war applied ? Thanks for the quick reply John . __________________ Mitch

03-23-2008, 01:14 PM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Guy, The horizontal eagle over double crown U is the postwar DDR test fire proofing. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-23-2008, 02:46 PM	#7
guy sajer User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 66 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Tom . I should've figured that as soon as I saw the black plastic VoPo grips . __________________ Mitch

03-21-2008, 02:20 PM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,046 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,946 Times in 1,197 Posts	Hi, Indeed sounds like a VoPo rebuild that got a crown/N proof on the barrel after the installation of a fresh barrel (if the barrel only has a crown/N proof and no serial number or 8,8-something marking). Photos would help a lot.