luger as a defense pistol...

09-19-2001, 07:02 PM

What are your thoughts of a luger as a self defense pistol?

If anything its cool looking and makes a statement but I was wondering what you lugermaniacs out there take on this?

Dok · 09-19-2001, 07:32 PM

I don't think you'll find a more fervant bunch of Luger fanatics anywhere, but my guess is, to a man, they will all tell you, "Buy a SIG, or a Glock, or any of the the truly dependable modern CCW weapons".

The Luger, if not legendary, is then certainly well known, for its ammo sensitivity, feeding problems, and jams. If your life is on the line, it just makes more sense to carry something that you can depend on. I personally hate Glocks, but if my life was in danger I think I'd rather trust a Glock.

That's my 2 cents worth... of course I could be wrong.

Heinz · 09-19-2001, 08:17 PM

A lot depends on how many shots you think it will take to do the job If only one, jams will not be a problem. More than one and you need a twelve gauge. I carry a 45 colt revolver for serious stuff. I have owned a number of autos and none was "jam free" and it seemed the most reliable were the "loosest" and the least accurate.

Luke · 09-19-2001, 08:47 PM

In an earlier string, a number of members expressed a preference for the P-38 when compared to the Luger for self defense. How would members rate the P-38 against modern guns?

Dok · 09-19-2001, 08:53 PM

My thoughts on this are... I would feel less comfortable carrying a cocked P.38 with the safety on, than a SIG P232 that was decocked. But if we were just comparing P.38 to Luger, the P.38 would win. It is inheirantly more reliable.

Thor · 09-19-2001, 09:10 PM

For a gun that has been thoroughly checked out, I rate it right up there with modern guns. I always carry a back up, which is usually a PPK. At present I am carrying more serious ordinance, an H&K 45 Compact and a S&W 357 Magnum. Either will do the job in spades!! I have been known to carry a P.38 as the primary, just can't endorse it enough! I think this design was ahead of its time. ~Thor~

Hugh · 09-19-2001, 09:19 PM

The P38 is as modern as the Colt 1911, but for serious social occasions I still prefer my enhanced Officers mdl 45

Joe · 09-19-2001, 09:41 PM

The Luger was developed in the early 1900s, the P-38 was developed in the mid 1930s. Both weapons were improved over their production history, but they do not equal the performance of the modern automatic pistols. Like most other tools, technology improves them as time goes on. Just think on how guns have changed since the first flint locks.

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 09-20-2001, 04:25 AM

Hi

My choise for a carry gun would be a glock or a S&W revolver if i was allowed to carry.

But I do deffinitely trust my Luger.

I have shoot a lot PPC with it without any problems and its a very dependable gun.

I wouldent feel unarmed or disabled in a gunfight with my shootingLuger.

Bigest problems with all lugers are in my opinion not magazines or ammo, but previus owners experimenting with triggerpulls and low preasure ammo.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

Deaf Smith · 09-20-2001, 02:13 PM

I have the upmost confidence in my luger. It has been jamfree since I owned it (over 800 rounds to date) the problem here is what if you do have to use it? have you ever seen what the law does to guns put into "evidence"?

Its not pretty. When you get your priose back it won't be worth much. I would'nt submit even a shooter to this treadment. For this reasno among others my defence guns are off the shelf guns mostly revolvers(personal choice) with minumal gunsmithing(action jobs) and that I can have a duplicate of and have another made on short notice. Defence guns are tools. I prefer craftmans for work and faberge for play.

Deaf Smith

09-20-2001, 02:59 PM

As a retired LEO, I couldn't have said it better myself!

Kyrie · 09-20-2001, 07:00 PM

Hi Rob,

It wouldnÃ¢??t be my first choice, but IÃ¢??d have no problem keeping a Luger as a house gun.

Best regards,

Kyrie

Kyrie · 09-20-2001, 07:02 PM

Hi Luke,

The P.38 is a modern gun. The current sidearm of the US Army is nothing more than a P.38 with a double stack magazine.

Best regards,

Kyrie

Steve Lempitski · 09-20-2001, 07:52 PM

If I am not mistaken, aren't P38's still the standard pistol of the German Army?

Kyrie · 09-21-2001, 07:13 PM

Hi Steve,

According to the 1999-2000 edition of JaneÃ¢??s Ã¢??Infantry WeaponsÃ¢?Â the P1 is still in use in Germany, Chile, Norway, Portugal, and other (unnamed) countries.

Best regards,

Kyrie

09-21-2001, 08:15 PM

the p-38 is a good dbl. action defence pistol.i have both Lugers and P-38's. BUT! if my life were on the line my 1943 Ithaca .45acp would be the one I'd want in my hand. just a thought.

Kyrie · 09-21-2001, 08:38 PM

Hi Dan,

Truth be told, if my life were on the line I wouldnÃ¢??t want any kind of a pistol. A shotgun is more to the point. In the words of my grandfather, Ã¢??I only carry a pistol when IÃ¢??m not expecting trouble. If I expect trouble I donÃ¢??t go.Ã¢?Â

He was a wise man

Best regards,

Kyrie

Steve Lempitski · 09-21-2001, 10:19 PM

According to a fellow gun collector at work, he stated that Turkish forces carry their own copy of the p-38, except that they never bothered to get a license from Walther to produce them!

Thor · 09-21-2001, 10:35 PM

The Turkish P38 are a topic that probably has been discussed on the www.p38forum.com

09-19-2001, 07:02 PM	#1
Rob Regers Guest Posts: n/a	luger as a defense pistol... What are your thoughts of a luger as a self defense pistol? If anything its cool looking and makes a statement but I was wondering what you lugermaniacs out there take on this?

09-19-2001, 07:32 PM	#2
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: luger as a defense pistol... I don't think you'll find a more fervant bunch of Luger fanatics anywhere, but my guess is, to a man, they will all tell you, "Buy a SIG, or a Glock, or any of the the truly dependable modern CCW weapons". The Luger, if not legendary, is then certainly well known, for its ammo sensitivity, feeding problems, and jams. If your life is on the line, it just makes more sense to carry something that you can depend on. I personally hate Glocks, but if my life was in danger I think I'd rather trust a Glock. That's my 2 cents worth... of course I could be wrong.

09-19-2001, 08:17 PM	#3
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 410 Times in 180 Posts	Re: luger as a defense pistol... A lot depends on how many shots you think it will take to do the job If only one, jams will not be a problem. More than one and you need a twelve gauge. I carry a 45 colt revolver for serious stuff. I have owned a number of autos and none was "jam free" and it seemed the most reliable were the "loosest" and the least accurate.

09-19-2001, 08:47 PM	#4
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	How about the P-38 ? In an earlier string, a number of members expressed a preference for the P-38 when compared to the Luger for self defense. How would members rate the P-38 against modern guns?

09-19-2001, 08:53 PM	#5
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? My thoughts on this are... I would feel less comfortable carrying a cocked P.38 with the safety on, than a SIG P232 that was decocked. But if we were just comparing P.38 to Luger, the P.38 would win. It is inheirantly more reliable.

09-19-2001, 09:10 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: P-38 Rating For a gun that has been thoroughly checked out, I rate it right up there with modern guns. I always carry a back up, which is usually a PPK. At present I am carrying more serious ordinance, an H&K 45 Compact and a S&W 357 Magnum. Either will do the job in spades!! I have been known to carry a P.38 as the primary, just can't endorse it enough! I think this design was ahead of its time. ~Thor~

09-19-2001, 09:19 PM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Re: P-38 Rating The P38 is as modern as the Colt 1911, but for serious social occasions I still prefer my enhanced Officers mdl 45

09-19-2001, 09:41 PM	#8
Joe User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: P-38 Rating The Luger was developed in the early 1900s, the P-38 was developed in the mid 1930s. Both weapons were improved over their production history, but they do not equal the performance of the modern automatic pistols. Like most other tools, technology improves them as time goes on. Just think on how guns have changed since the first flint locks.

09-20-2001, 04:25 AM	#9
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: luger as a defense pistol... Hi My choise for a carry gun would be a glock or a S&W revolver if i was allowed to carry. But I do deffinitely trust my Luger. I have shoot a lot PPC with it without any problems and its a very dependable gun. I wouldent feel unarmed or disabled in a gunfight with my shootingLuger. Bigest problems with all lugers are in my opinion not magazines or ammo, but previus owners experimenting with triggerpulls and low preasure ammo. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

09-20-2001, 02:13 PM	#10
Deaf Smith User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: PA Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: luger as a defense pistol... I have the upmost confidence in my luger. It has been jamfree since I owned it (over 800 rounds to date) the problem here is what if you do have to use it? have you ever seen what the law does to guns put into "evidence"? Its not pretty. When you get your priose back it won't be worth much. I would'nt submit even a shooter to this treadment. For this reasno among others my defence guns are off the shelf guns mostly revolvers(personal choice) with minumal gunsmithing(action jobs) and that I can have a duplicate of and have another made on short notice. Defence guns are tools. I prefer craftmans for work and faberge for play. Deaf Smith

09-20-2001, 02:59 PM	#11
Polizei Guest Posts: n/a	Re: luger as a defense pistol... As a retired LEO, I couldn't have said it better myself!

09-20-2001, 07:00 PM	#12
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: luger as a defense pistol... Hi Rob, It wouldnÃ¢??t be my first choice, but IÃ¢??d have no problem keeping a Luger as a house gun. Best regards, Kyrie

09-20-2001, 07:02 PM	#13
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? Hi Luke, The P.38 is a modern gun. The current sidearm of the US Army is nothing more than a P.38 with a double stack magazine. Best regards, Kyrie

09-20-2001, 07:52 PM	#14
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? If I am not mistaken, aren't P38's still the standard pistol of the German Army?

09-21-2001, 07:13 PM	#15
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? Hi Steve, According to the 1999-2000 edition of JaneÃ¢??s Ã¢??Infantry WeaponsÃ¢?Â the P1 is still in use in Germany, Chile, Norway, Portugal, and other (unnamed) countries. Best regards, Kyrie

09-21-2001, 08:15 PM	#16
dan p. Guest Posts: n/a	Re: How about the P-38 ? the p-38 is a good dbl. action defence pistol.i have both Lugers and P-38's. BUT! if my life were on the line my 1943 Ithaca .45acp would be the one I'd want in my hand. just a thought.

09-21-2001, 08:38 PM	#17
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? Hi Dan, Truth be told, if my life were on the line I wouldnÃ¢??t want any kind of a pistol. A shotgun is more to the point. In the words of my grandfather, Ã¢??I only carry a pistol when IÃ¢??m not expecting trouble. If I expect trouble I donÃ¢??t go.Ã¢?Â He was a wise man Best regards, Kyrie

09-21-2001, 10:19 PM	#18
Steve Lempitski User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Old Cape Cod Posts: 238 Thanks: 1 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? According to a fellow gun collector at work, he stated that Turkish forces carry their own copy of the p-38, except that they never bothered to get a license from Walther to produce them!

09-21-2001, 10:35 PM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Re: How about the P-38 ? The Turkish P38 are a topic that probably has been discussed on the www.p38forum.com