Need help with New Luger (to me)

wdavid431 · 03-15-2007, 07:10 PM

Just got a DWM 30 cal Luger. 95 % blue with no dates. Serial number (SN) is 850x a. Underside of barrel has crown over N (c/N) with SN under it. "Germany" on left side of frame above take down latch. Left side of slide has c/N with lazy c/N on left side of toggle. Strawing is good. Pistol is all matching. GESICHERT (all capitals) under safety
Anyone know the date it was made and approx value. I would like to know if I paid too much or got a good deal.

thegundude · 03-15-2007, 09:33 PM

Well, it would be a lot easier to determine value with some pictures, but let's take it for what info we do have.

It sounds to me like a standard 1920 Commercial. If it's in really, really good shape with matching grips and mag, it's probably worth about $1,200 or so. And that's a reall "out there, ballpark guess"...

Dwight Gruber · 03-16-2007, 02:30 AM

Warren,

Need pictures if possible, also the full serial number and confirmation of the letter suffix. An a suffix Luger with a lazy c/N is out of the ordinary.

--Dwight

Ron Wood · 03-16-2007, 09:59 AM

Dwight,
That was my first impression also, but I believe the wording indicates that the lazy c/N is on the forward toggle link with no mention of the orientation of the receiver c/N.

wdavid431 · 03-16-2007, 10:10 AM

Correct, the vertical c/N is on the front part of receiver while the lazy c/N is on the forward toggle link.
With a nervous excited glance the suffix appeared to be an "a." However, with closer exam and using suffix charts from this forum I must admit it is an "o."
I think my pistol is an alphabet commercial. Still wondering about date made and approx value. I am working on getting pictures for this forum.
Thanks to everyone for the fast replys.

Pete Ebbink · 03-16-2007, 11:50 AM

Warren,

Once you can post up some photos, the Members will be able to help you more with a real sense of value.

Value depends on factors such as rariety of the model, original factory blue and straw finish and percentage of those finishes remaining, all small parts number matching or not, grips matched or not, magazine matched or not or correct for the gun, etc.

The 1920's commercial lugers have been the least desirable Lugers in the USA, typically, amongst collectors so one cannot expect to see big-bucks assigned to them...

Look forward to your photo postings...

wdavid431 · 03-16-2007, 10:08 PM

Whoops. I forgot in my last message to include the pistol's serial number. It is 8506a.
I am going to try and send pictures this time. Hope they work and will help with the information you need.
Thanks

wdavid431 · 03-16-2007, 10:11 PM

Well, I see that did not work. Will try again.

wdavid431 · 03-16-2007, 10:13 PM

The correct serial number is actually 8506 o. Hopefully I got this right. But I am still having trouble with the pictures.

wdavid431 · 03-16-2007, 10:17 PM

Maybe two are to large. I will send one and see if that works.

wdavid431 · 03-17-2007, 04:15 AM

Trying pictures again.

wdavid431 · 03-17-2007, 04:17 AM

And again.

Dwight Gruber · 03-17-2007, 11:07 AM

Warren,

This Luger was manufactured in late 1925 or early 1926.

--Dwight

wdavid431 · 03-18-2007, 09:27 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded. This info gives me more data on my pistol and makes it seem to be more a friend.

03-15-2007, 07:10 PM	#1
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Need help with New Luger (to me) Just got a DWM 30 cal Luger. 95 % blue with no dates. Serial number (SN) is 850x a. Underside of barrel has crown over N (c/N) with SN under it. "Germany" on left side of frame above take down latch. Left side of slide has c/N with lazy c/N on left side of toggle. Strawing is good. Pistol is all matching. GESICHERT (all capitals) under safety Anyone know the date it was made and approx value. I would like to know if I paid too much or got a good deal. __________________ W David

03-15-2007, 09:33 PM	#2
thegundude User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Western NC Posts: 1,137 Thanks: 3 Thanked 16 Times in 3 Posts	Well, it would be a lot easier to determine value with some pictures, but let's take it for what info we do have. It sounds to me like a standard 1920 Commercial. If it's in really, really good shape with matching grips and mag, it's probably worth about $1,200 or so. And that's a reall "out there, ballpark guess"... __________________ Keep your knees in the breeze and your iron in the air. ~Steve

03-16-2007, 09:59 AM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,022 Thanks: 1,090 Thanked 5,178 Times in 1,703 Posts	Dwight, That was my first impression also, but I believe the wording indicates that the lazy c/N is on the forward toggle link with no mention of the orientation of the receiver c/N. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

03-16-2007, 10:10 AM	#5
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Correct, the vertical c/N is on the front part of receiver while the lazy c/N is on the forward toggle link. With a nervous excited glance the suffix appeared to be an "a." However, with closer exam and using suffix charts from this forum I must admit it is an "o." I think my pistol is an alphabet commercial. Still wondering about date made and approx value. I am working on getting pictures for this forum. Thanks to everyone for the fast replys. __________________ W David

03-16-2007, 10:08 PM	#7
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Whoops. I forgot in my last message to include the pistol's serial number. It is 8506a. I am going to try and send pictures this time. Hope they work and will help with the information you need. Thanks __________________ W David

03-16-2007, 02:30 AM	#3
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Warren, Need pictures if possible, also the full serial number and confirmation of the letter suffix. An a suffix Luger with a lazy c/N is out of the ordinary. --Dwight

03-16-2007, 11:50 AM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Warren, Once you can post up some photos, the Members will be able to help you more with a real sense of value. Value depends on factors such as rariety of the model, original factory blue and straw finish and percentage of those finishes remaining, all small parts number matching or not, grips matched or not, magazine matched or not or correct for the gun, etc. The 1920's commercial lugers have been the least desirable Lugers in the USA, typically, amongst collectors so one cannot expect to see big-bucks assigned to them... Look forward to your photo postings...

03-16-2007, 10:11 PM	#8
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Well, I see that did not work. Will try again. Attached Images __________________ W David

03-16-2007, 10:13 PM	#9
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	The correct serial number is actually 8506 o. Hopefully I got this right. But I am still having trouble with the pictures. __________________ W David

03-16-2007, 10:17 PM	#10
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Maybe two are to large. I will send one and see if that works. Attached Images __________________ W David

03-17-2007, 04:15 AM	#11
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Trying pictures again. Attached Thumbnails __________________ W David

03-17-2007, 04:17 AM	#12
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	And again. Attached Thumbnails __________________ W David

03-17-2007, 11:07 AM	#13
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,902 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,317 Times in 431 Posts	Warren, This Luger was manufactured in late 1925 or early 1926. --Dwight

03-18-2007, 09:27 AM	#14
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks to everyone who responded. This info gives me more data on my pistol and makes it seem to be more a friend. __________________ W David