Mauser Rework? UPDATED with pics

Curly1 · 12-06-2006, 09:26 PM

This reblued piece has been sitting in a local shop for 9 months that I know of with a $795 price tag on it, didnt pay much attention to it till today when I noticed the price is now $495 and decided to take a hard look at it.

I think this is a rework, no manufacturer markings on the toggle or chamber

No Import marks, I think it had 3 maybe 4 proofs on the right side but don't remember what they were.

Numbers - Matching except the toggle pin which is a new replacement and the extractor, the extractor was not replaced by this guy though so not sure if it is new production, did they have non numbered parts for reworks?

Mag - non matching with wood bottom

Hot salt dipped blued which was done when he received it as there was not much finish left on it, so the reblued finish is 100% and was not buffed. Some small areas of pitting on the frame above the grips on both sides and just under the tops of the grips.

Grips- very good condition dark brown almost black appearance. No chips but worn spots near the bottom by the screws. The right grip has a little wiggle in it at the top, is that a problem?. No markings

No pitting in the bore and strong lands and grooves, almost looks new. Were reworks rebarreled and then renumbered to match along with other parts?

Unit marking on the front strap L.A1.353, any ideas on Unit ID?

Was test fired after toggle pin repair and not fired since. I been doing business with this guy for 30 years so if it doesnt function well he will take it back or fix it my call.

$400 OTD cash deal I think this is gonna make me a nice shooter what do you all think?

Edward Tinker · 12-06-2006, 09:30 PM

Did you steal this for $400? You can't find them that cheap anywhere except Hugh's house

Does it or did it have a sear safety? The markings sounds like a unit police marking to me...

Ed

John Sabato · 12-06-2006, 09:54 PM

A great buy... please show us photos when you can.

Curly1 · 12-07-2006, 08:19 PM

LOL maybe it is one of Hugh's. Yes I will followup with pics in a week or 2 when I conclude the deal, not sure on the sear saftey will check in to it when it arrives.

Curly1 · 01-20-2007, 02:07 PM

I finally got this home, the unit mark looks like L.AI.353. any ideas on the district or police unit?

I havent taken it to the range yet but with snap caps there is a small problem with the wood mag. After the last round it holds open but won't let me chamber a round with a reload unless I bring it back into battery w/o the mag then put the mag back in and chamber a round.

However the wood mag will work correctly in my 1939 and the 1939 works ok with the this guy, I don't get it.

Any ideas?

Here is my 1939/42

1943 Browning P35

policeluger · 01-20-2007, 03:18 PM

Would you like your $400+shipping.....nice for the money and I would like to have it.

Edward Tinker · 01-20-2007, 04:01 PM

Curly, you did very well, put me in line either before PL or after if you want to get rid of it.

Sear safety, had a mag safety (removed) and police marked...

Landjagerei Allenstein waffen 353

I would test it at the range, as "dry-firing" does not always prove much...

Curly1 · 01-20-2007, 06:32 PM

Thanx for the info ED.

Hmmm 400 + shipping..... ahhhh no

pipeman45 · 01-21-2007, 02:50 AM

Ok. Lets get down and wheel and deal.
How about 400+shipping and sweeten the deal with some pocket lint.

Curly1 · 01-21-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pipeman45
Ok. Lets get down and wheel and deal.
How about 400+shipping and sweeten the deal with some pocket lint.

Pipeman you really are having a pipe dream bro LOL

lugerholsterrepair · 01-21-2007, 05:37 PM

Curly, You really should trade me that no good wood bottom for a nice Nazi Aluminum bottom..Very nice find by the way. Looks like a great pistol. Jerry Burney

Don M · 01-21-2007, 08:51 PM

Gary,

The Luger marked L.Al. is a great acquisition! For my database, could you confirm the serial numerals are 3394 and tell me the letter suffix below the numbers on the front of the frame?

Curly1 · 01-22-2007, 10:06 PM

Thanx Jerry. It's got a small chip in the side and I wouldn't feel right taking advantage of ya.

Don that's 3354 and the letter U on the front frame. Why is that unit mark a great find? Do you know what the unit was?

LU1900 · 01-23-2007, 09:14 AM

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Don M · 01-23-2007, 09:33 AM

Gary,

Thanks for the correction and suffix. As Ed said above, this pistol was issued to the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary) in the Prussian governmental district of Allenstein in the province of East Prussia. This was part of a general rearming of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei with Lugers that occurred in 1929. Although the Allenstein LandjÃ?Â¤gerei contingent was relatively large (390 men), this district was very deep within the territory that was overrun by the Russians at the end of WWII and few of the police weapons have made it into western collectors' hands. I have only four examples, including yours, of L.Al. markings in my database.

Pat,

It's good to see yours again. Between you and Gary, we have examples of nearly the entire range of weapon numbers from this unit.

Curly1 · 01-23-2007, 09:10 PM

Thanx Don for the background, so it sounds like instead of a shooter I got a collector?

Pat the proofs look like #36, 37 and 38 from page 41 of Lugers at Random for the Mauser reworks.

Is there anyway to date the serial number now after it was reworked?

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/p1000161.jpg

LU1900 · 01-23-2007, 10:12 PM

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Don M · 01-24-2007, 10:32 AM

Gary,

Two of the acceptances look like E/WaA66 and E/H. These both are very consistent with the other Lugers manufactured by BKIW in 1929 and delivered to the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei. I am not expert in this area but I don't see anything indicating rework by Mauser.

Curly1 · 01-24-2007, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Don M
Gary,

Two of the acceptances look like E/WaA66 and E/H. These both are very consistent with the other Lugers manufactured by BKIW in 1929 and delivered to the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei. I am not expert in this area but I don't see anything indicating rework by Mauser.

Don that is correct on the markings but Lugers at Random states E/H for Mauser reworks and E/waA66 for Mauser and Simson reworks for 1930-1933 which would be in line with Pat's 1930 date. Is the book incorrect?

What is BKIW?

Pat the guy doing the unit marks built up some muscle mass by the time he got to mine 352 pieces later that's why mine are deeper

Jan C Still · 01-24-2007, 09:40 PM

The link below has updated information concerning the markings on your Prussian Police marked 29 DWM Luger.
Jan

POLICE 29 DWM, SN 8085t Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217

POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7570

12-06-2006, 09:26 PM	#1
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Mauser Rework? UPDATED with pics This reblued piece has been sitting in a local shop for 9 months that I know of with a $795 price tag on it, didnt pay much attention to it till today when I noticed the price is now $495 and decided to take a hard look at it. I think this is a rework, no manufacturer markings on the toggle or chamber No Import marks, I think it had 3 maybe 4 proofs on the right side but don't remember what they were. Numbers - Matching except the toggle pin which is a new replacement and the extractor, the extractor was not replaced by this guy though so not sure if it is new production, did they have non numbered parts for reworks? Mag - non matching with wood bottom Hot salt dipped blued which was done when he received it as there was not much finish left on it, so the reblued finish is 100% and was not buffed. Some small areas of pitting on the frame above the grips on both sides and just under the tops of the grips. Grips- very good condition dark brown almost black appearance. No chips but worn spots near the bottom by the screws. The right grip has a little wiggle in it at the top, is that a problem?. No markings No pitting in the bore and strong lands and grooves, almost looks new. Were reworks rebarreled and then renumbered to match along with other parts? Unit marking on the front strap L.A1.353, any ideas on Unit ID? Was test fired after toggle pin repair and not fired since. I been doing business with this guy for 30 years so if it doesnt function well he will take it back or fix it my call. $400 OTD cash deal I think this is gonna make me a nice shooter what do you all think? __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

12-06-2006, 09:30 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Did you steal this for $400? You can't find them that cheap anywhere except Hugh's house Does it or did it have a sear safety? The markings sounds like a unit police marking to me... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-07-2006, 08:19 PM	#4
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	LOL maybe it is one of Hugh's. Yes I will followup with pics in a week or 2 when I conclude the deal, not sure on the sear saftey will check in to it when it arrives. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

01-20-2007, 02:07 PM	#5
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	I finally got this home, the unit mark looks like L.AI.353. any ideas on the district or police unit? I havent taken it to the range yet but with snap caps there is a small problem with the wood mag. After the last round it holds open but won't let me chamber a round with a reload unless I bring it back into battery w/o the mag then put the mag back in and chamber a round. However the wood mag will work correctly in my 1939 and the 1939 works ok with the this guy, I don't get it. Any ideas? Here is my 1939/42 1943 Browning P35 __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

01-20-2007, 06:32 PM	#8
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Thanx for the info ED. Hmmm 400 + shipping..... ahhhh no __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

12-06-2006, 09:54 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	A great buy... please show us photos when you can. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-20-2007, 03:18 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Would you like your $400+shipping.....nice for the money and I would like to have it.

01-20-2007, 04:01 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Curly, you did very well, put me in line either before PL or after if you want to get rid of it. Sear safety, had a mag safety (removed) and police marked... Landjagerei Allenstein waffen 353 I would test it at the range, as "dry-firing" does not always prove much...

01-21-2007, 02:50 AM	#9
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Ok. Lets get down and wheel and deal. How about 400+shipping and sweeten the deal with some pocket lint. __________________ Dave

01-21-2007, 05:37 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Curly, You really should trade me that no good wood bottom for a nice Nazi Aluminum bottom..Very nice find by the way. Looks like a great pistol. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-21-2007, 08:51 PM	#12
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Gary, The Luger marked L.Al. is a great acquisition! For my database, could you confirm the serial numerals are 3394 and tell me the letter suffix below the numbers on the front of the frame? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-22-2007, 10:06 PM	#13
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Thanx Jerry. It's got a small chip in the side and I wouldn't feel right taking advantage of ya. Don that's 3354 and the letter U on the front frame. Why is that unit mark a great find? Do you know what the unit was? __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

01-23-2007, 09:14 AM	#14
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 912 Thanks: 46 Thanked 473 Times in 199 Posts	......... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

01-23-2007, 09:33 AM	#15
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Gary, Thanks for the correction and suffix. As Ed said above, this pistol was issued to the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei (rural constabulary) in the Prussian governmental district of Allenstein in the province of East Prussia. This was part of a general rearming of the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei with Lugers that occurred in 1929. Although the Allenstein LandjÃ?Â¤gerei contingent was relatively large (390 men), this district was very deep within the territory that was overrun by the Russians at the end of WWII and few of the police weapons have made it into western collectors' hands. I have only four examples, including yours, of L.Al. markings in my database. Pat, It's good to see yours again. Between you and Gary, we have examples of nearly the entire range of weapon numbers from this unit. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-23-2007, 09:10 PM	#16
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Thanx Don for the background, so it sounds like instead of a shooter I got a collector? Pat the proofs look like #36, 37 and 38 from page 41 of Lugers at Random for the Mauser reworks. Is there anyway to date the serial number now after it was reworked? http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/p1000161.jpg __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

01-23-2007, 10:12 PM	#17
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 912 Thanks: 46 Thanked 473 Times in 199 Posts	......... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

01-24-2007, 10:32 AM	#18
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Gary, Two of the acceptances look like E/WaA66 and E/H. These both are very consistent with the other Lugers manufactured by BKIW in 1929 and delivered to the LandjÃ?Â¤gerei. I am not expert in this area but I don't see anything indicating rework by Mauser. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

01-24-2007, 09:40 PM	#20
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	The link below has updated information concerning the markings on your Prussian Police marked 29 DWM Luger. Jan POLICE 29 DWM, SN 8085t Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=217 POLICE 29 DWM, SN 3541t, RIG Jan C Still http://luger.gunboards.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7570