Shoulder Stocks

John Sabato · 05-15-2006, 04:43 PM

I have just had an email exchange with a non-forum member who claims that the latest (June 06) issue of Guns & Ammo magazine has an article about the use of shoulder stocks.

He claims

Quote:

I am aware of the NFA act.... I am a FFL/SOT class 3 dealer. I just read last night that handguns on the C&R list are now exempt from the SBR registration if they had the provision for stock attachment when they were manufactured.

The ATF website has had no such notice about a change regarding shoulder stocks...

Is there somebody out there in cyberspace on this forum who is knowledgeable about the status of C&R guns and the National Firearms Act of 1934 that has this magazine and can provide some enlightenment, or at least scan the appropriate portion of this article and post it here for evaluation and discussion. I think this person is seriously mistaken about the legality of the use of shoulder stocks.

He has a stock/holster combination on ebay where his auction states that the stock can be used with ANY Luger that was manufactured with a stock lug... Before a forum member commits a felony, it would be beneficial if we talk this out...

The only gun magazine I still receive is the American Rifleman...

Edward Tinker · 05-15-2006, 06:38 PM

From their on-line index of the latest issue;

Handgunning
Shoulder stocks were better in theory than in practice.

John Sabato · 05-16-2006, 12:30 PM

Yeah Ed, I got that much from their website too, but I really want to know what they mentioned about a change in legality of shoulder stocks...

(That Ed, always being helpful!

)

Tomathvl · 05-16-2006, 02:28 PM

John,
I'll Quote from the pertinent paragraph of the magazine.

" A word of caution: For many years shoulder-stocked cartridge guns were a federal no-no without a special license. In recent times this proscription has been relaxed for guns qualifying as curios and relics, but if you buy a modern handgun with a barrel length of less than 16 inches and hook a stock to it, you are looking for trouble. Before you do any stocked- handgun collecting or firing, be sure to check out federal, state and local laws first"

I think if the author had said "relaxed for some guns ............." It would have been less likely to confuse the general public. However, the last sentence acts as the CYA for the article.

I think the guy you're having an e-mail exchange with is heading for trouble if he cites the article as backup to what he says.
Tom

champ7fc · 05-21-2006, 11:21 AM

Hi John, I am a C&R licensed collector and have been receiving regular info and updates from the BATF. I have NOT seen any statements regarding the change in ATF rules that have been suggested here. As far as I know the rules remain, Navy Luger- Navy stock, Arty Luger - Arty stock. I will read the rules more closely and will inform the forum if anything changes.
Best to all, Craig

stymie · 05-25-2006, 04:25 PM

I haven't read the article in "Guns & Ammo", but if the author implies that there have been recent changes to allow QD stocks on any C&R pistol with a stock lug, he is sadly mistaken.

Out of curiosity, I took this issue up with TECH BRANCH to confirm.

John Sabato · 05-25-2006, 10:23 PM

I am also a licensed C&R collector and agree with Champ7fc's assessment. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about... I finally read the article in an airport newstand day before yesterday... it doesn't imply what the guy said... it is very vague... another reason why I haven't subscribed to a gun magazine except the american rifleman in over 20 years... too many "experts" author their articles...

Paul L · 05-26-2006, 12:17 AM

John,

A double amen on that comment about gun authors.......same reason why i do the same as you.......

Paul

05-15-2006, 06:38 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	From their on-line index of the latest issue; Handgunning Shoulder stocks were better in theory than in practice. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-16-2006, 12:30 PM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Yeah Ed, I got that much from their website too, but I really want to know what they mentioned about a change in legality of shoulder stocks... (That Ed, always being helpful! ) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-21-2006, 11:21 AM	#5
champ7fc User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Connecticut Posts: 103 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Hi John, I am a C&R licensed collector and have been receiving regular info and updates from the BATF. I have NOT seen any statements regarding the change in ATF rules that have been suggested here. As far as I know the rules remain, Navy Luger- Navy stock, Arty Luger - Arty stock. I will read the rules more closely and will inform the forum if anything changes. Best to all, Craig __________________ cfm

05-25-2006, 04:25 PM	#6
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I haven't read the article in "Guns & Ammo", but if the author implies that there have been recent changes to allow QD stocks on any C&R pistol with a stock lug, he is sadly mistaken. Out of curiosity, I took this issue up with TECH BRANCH to confirm. __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

05-25-2006, 10:23 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I am also a licensed C&R collector and agree with Champ7fc's assessment. This guy doesn't know what he is talking about... I finally read the article in an airport newstand day before yesterday... it doesn't imply what the guy said... it is very vague... another reason why I haven't subscribed to a gun magazine except the american rifleman in over 20 years... too many "experts" author their articles... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-16-2006, 02:28 PM	#4
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	John, I'll Quote from the pertinent paragraph of the magazine. " A word of caution: For many years shoulder-stocked cartridge guns were a federal no-no without a special license. In recent times this proscription has been relaxed for guns qualifying as curios and relics, but if you buy a modern handgun with a barrel length of less than 16 inches and hook a stock to it, you are looking for trouble. Before you do any stocked- handgun collecting or firing, be sure to check out federal, state and local laws first" I think if the author had said "relaxed for some guns ............." It would have been less likely to confuse the general public. However, the last sentence acts as the CYA for the article. I think the guy you're having an e-mail exchange with is heading for trouble if he cites the article as backup to what he says. Tom

05-26-2006, 12:17 AM	#8
Paul L User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Monroe County, SE Mich. Posts: 76 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	John, A double amen on that comment about gun authors.......same reason why i do the same as you....... Paul