Construct A Navy -- Charlie Steen's at it again

pillboxesghost · 03-09-2006, 08:27 PM

Just got my SGN -- looks like SARCO is offering a $ 310.00 "kit" to allow you to construct that Navy you've always wanted. Kit consists of rear toggle with 2-position sight and new 6" barrel (available separately).

Don't know how a good a reproduction the rear toggle/sight is. Has anyone seen one?

If they are decent copies -- I bet there's going to be a bunch of 1920 Commercial Navy's showing up.

Steve Richards · 03-10-2006, 08:16 PM

I wonder if the "Navy" toggle would work on my Mauser Parabellum from the 70's? NO that I want to fool anybody but it would be interesting to have. These parts are only wrong if used for deception. That is not my intention.

Steve

policeluger · 03-10-2006, 08:39 PM

Steve,I do not believe that the front sight would be high enough to shoot correct. PBG, there are a few repo front sight floating around, I see them from time to time on eBay....about $350 range....

John Sabato · 03-13-2006, 09:13 AM

Steve, I agree with Howard. You would have to install a custom front sight because the "Real" Navy Luger front sight base on the barrel is taller than the standard sight base... Let me see if I have that measurement in my records... If I do, I will post it here.

John Sabato · 03-13-2006, 10:21 AM

Shown here are the measurements for the taller Navy type front sight base on a six inch barrel. All measurements are in inches, not millimeters. Measurements were taken from an actual Navy Luger barrel and examination of a Navy Luger blueprint that is not available to the general public that was generously lent to me some time ago by a forum member.

The height of the front sight base should be .170 inches from the barrel band, or 0.470 from the center of the bore. The front sight itself should be standard as far as I know. To use a standard front sight base barrel with a reproduction Navy rear toggle, you would have to increase the front sight blade height by at least .0170 inches.

For those that want a copy of the 1913 P.08 Standard configuration blueprints... please see my posting at the top of the For Sale forum for the Blueprints CD... This is excellent study information and will enlighten you on the construction and engineering of the Luger pistol.

I hope this is helpful to you Steve. If anyone sees any flaws in the information provided, please let me know so I can correct my records. Conversely, if you can verify my numbers, please do so.

Lugerdoc · 03-14-2006, 08:45 AM

Steve, I do have a couple of these Sarco type Navy Rear sight/toggle links in stock @$225 each postpaid, that should work well on your Parabellum. As John mentioned above, you may have to add a taller front sight blade to be on target. Tom Heller POB 398 St.Charles, MO. 63302.

G.T. · 03-14-2006, 08:55 AM

Hi Thomas, are they pretty accurately done? Are they built up, or are they new made completely? best to you Thomas, til...lat'r...GT

03-09-2006, 08:27 PM	#1
pillboxesghost User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Coastal NC Posts: 22 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Construct A Navy -- Charlie Steen's at it again Just got my SGN -- looks like SARCO is offering a $ 310.00 "kit" to allow you to construct that Navy you've always wanted. Kit consists of rear toggle with 2-position sight and new 6" barrel (available separately). Don't know how a good a reproduction the rear toggle/sight is. Has anyone seen one? If they are decent copies -- I bet there's going to be a bunch of 1920 Commercial Navy's showing up.

03-13-2006, 09:13 AM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Steve, I agree with Howard. You would have to install a custom front sight because the "Real" Navy Luger front sight base on the barrel is taller than the standard sight base... Let me see if I have that measurement in my records... If I do, I will post it here. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-13-2006, 10:21 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Shown here are the measurements for the taller Navy type front sight base on a six inch barrel. All measurements are in inches, not millimeters. Measurements were taken from an actual Navy Luger barrel and examination of a Navy Luger blueprint that is not available to the general public that was generously lent to me some time ago by a forum member. The height of the front sight base should be .170 inches from the barrel band, or 0.470 from the center of the bore. The front sight itself should be standard as far as I know. To use a standard front sight base barrel with a reproduction Navy rear toggle, you would have to increase the front sight blade height by at least .0170 inches. For those that want a copy of the 1913 P.08 Standard configuration blueprints... please see my posting at the top of the For Sale forum for the Blueprints CD... This is excellent study information and will enlighten you on the construction and engineering of the Luger pistol. I hope this is helpful to you Steve. If anyone sees any flaws in the information provided, please let me know so I can correct my records. Conversely, if you can verify my numbers, please do so. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

03-14-2006, 08:45 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Steve, I do have a couple of these Sarco type Navy Rear sight/toggle links in stock @$225 each postpaid, that should work well on your Parabellum. As John mentioned above, you may have to add a taller front sight blade to be on target. Tom Heller POB 398 St.Charles, MO. 63302. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

03-14-2006, 08:55 AM	#7
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,522 Thanks: 1,321 Thanked 3,706 Times in 1,011 Posts	Repro Navy rear Sight Hi Thomas, are they pretty accurately done? Are they built up, or are they new made completely? best to you Thomas, til...lat'r...GT

03-10-2006, 08:16 PM	#2
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I wonder if the "Navy" toggle would work on my Mauser Parabellum from the 70's? NO that I want to fool anybody but it would be interesting to have. These parts are only wrong if used for deception. That is not my intention. Steve

03-10-2006, 08:39 PM	#3
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Steve,I do not believe that the front sight would be high enough to shoot correct. PBG, there are a few repo front sight floating around, I see them from time to time on eBay....about $350 range....