Carbine Forearm Tangs

sheepherder · 05-24-2011, 10:23 AM

I'm looking at two carbine forearm tangs; they are quite different...

Should I ever come across one (or both) of these, exactly what are they indicative of???

Are there other types of carbine tangs??? Were these 'custom' conversions, with a variety of different tangs???

I've already see several different forends [wood]...

Was there a master pattern??? More than one manufacturer/shop making them???

lugerholsterrepair · 05-24-2011, 11:05 AM

Rich, This is the first time I have ever seen the lower one you show!

sheepherder · 05-24-2011, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Rich, This is the first time I have ever seen the lower one you show!

Jerry, I leeched it from Mauro's W&S thread...

alanint · 05-24-2011, 11:47 AM

It may be just the image quality, but the second tang looks like a crude, homemade replacement for a lost or damaged original. Is it numbered to the gun in a similar font?

hgreer2 · 05-24-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I'm looking at two carbine forearm tangs; they are quite different...

Should I ever come across one (or both) of these, exactly what are they indicative of???

Are there other types of carbine tangs??? Were these 'custom' conversions, with a variety of different tangs???

I've already see several different forends [wood]...

Was there a master pattern??? More than one manufacturer/shop making them???

Authentic 1902 carbines are all pretty much the same, if not all the same. 1920 and after carbines are a strange animal, I've never seen two the same and I have been to one end of the internet and back doing research, anybody and everybody would make you one. I talked to the historian at a large gun dealer and he is researching A&F guns, but his A&F records only go back to 1928, so he was no help to me. In my opinion, they are not fakes to decieve, they are what they are, only buy the gun in front of you and not the story. There is no source of info or documentation on them, no books devoted to them. From all I can tell, they were all put together from different parts of difference guns. Some of the prettiest ones, John Martz made. I have no idea where mine came from for sure, but the barrell is stamped A&F and I can live with that.

Harry

cirelaw · 05-24-2011, 02:07 PM

This ones for you Jerry! What a difference!

Kitkat041836 · 05-24-2011, 02:11 PM

Hi Harry
All I can say is it's a FAKE.Can't prove it but that is what I think.
Thanks George

Kitkat041836 · 05-24-2011, 02:24 PM

To cirelaw
The tang has been added to your carbine,you can tell by the
ciluar mark on the bottom of your tang.
Thanks George

cirelaw · 05-24-2011, 02:39 PM

And they did a hell of a job!

sheepherder · 05-24-2011, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitkat041836

To cirelaw
The tang has been added to your carbine,you can tell by the
ciluar mark on the bottom of your tang.
Thanks George

Hi George! I see the mark (I think), but what does 'ciluar' mean???

(Or is it a mis-spelling?)

Kitkat041836 · 05-24-2011, 03:25 PM

Yes it is mis-spelling.I am not very good at spelling when I am
in a hurry.
Thanks George

sheepherder · 05-24-2011, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitkat041836

Yes it is mis-spelling.I am not very good at spelling when I am
in a hurry.
Thanks George

George - I'm the queen of re-writing...but...what was the word??? Cellular??? Circular??? Kaluar???

cirelaw · 05-24-2011, 03:31 PM

I tried to capture what You were pointing our and have no idea what significane any it migh have. Nice spotting!

sheepherder · 05-24-2011, 03:33 PM

Is it a rivet??? Or maybe a screw ground off flush???

Kitkat041836 · 05-24-2011, 03:59 PM

I think it is a screw ground off flush.The word I was trying to spell is circular.
Thanks George

cirelaw · 05-24-2011, 04:05 PM

I went outside and it like a flush bolt maybe a kind of anchor. Its definitly and added anchor proboble due to the more powerful 9mm. Nice spoting!! A lot of attention to detail went into it. Even the stock is beautiful! Does anyone know the range of serial numbers or how many! If theres a particular aspect you wish to explore, Ill be glad to take some pics or maybe lend it to you some weekend! Just Kidding!

cirelaw · 05-24-2011, 08:32 PM

Spoken like a true gunsmith! Mein Gott, I know your right. Truly a class act!!

05-24-2011, 10:23 AM	#1
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05-24-2011, 11:05 AM	#2
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05-24-2011, 02:07 PM	#6
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	This ones for you Jerry! What a difference! Attached Thumbnails

05-24-2011, 02:39 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	And they did a hell of a job! Attached Thumbnails

05-24-2011, 03:31 PM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I tried to capture what You were pointing our and have no idea what significane any it migh have. Nice spotting! Attached Thumbnails

05-24-2011, 11:47 AM	#4
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	It may be just the image quality, but the second tang looks like a crude, homemade replacement for a lost or damaged original. Is it numbered to the gun in a similar font?

05-24-2011, 02:11 PM	#7
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Hi Harry All I can say is it's a FAKE.Can't prove it but that is what I think. Thanks George

05-24-2011, 02:24 PM	#8
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	To cirelaw The tang has been added to your carbine,you can tell by the ciluar mark on the bottom of your tang. Thanks George

05-24-2011, 03:25 PM	#11
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	Yes it is mis-spelling.I am not very good at spelling when I am in a hurry. Thanks George

05-24-2011, 03:33 PM	#14
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Is it a rivet??? Or maybe a screw ground off flush??? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-24-2011, 03:59 PM	#15
Kitkat041836 RIP Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 195 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts	I think it is a screw ground off flush.The word I was trying to spell is circular. Thanks George

05-24-2011, 04:05 PM	#16
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	I went outside and it like a flush bolt maybe a kind of anchor. Its definitly and added anchor proboble due to the more powerful 9mm. Nice spoting!! A lot of attention to detail went into it. Even the stock is beautiful! Does anyone know the range of serial numbers or how many! If theres a particular aspect you wish to explore, Ill be glad to take some pics or maybe lend it to you some weekend! Just Kidding!

05-24-2011, 08:32 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Spoken like a true gunsmith! Mein Gott, I know your right. Truly a class act!!