looking for info

brain · 08-02-2008, 04:09 PM

not sure what i have.....other than a p08.
first of all i know it has been refinished.

it's a 9mm, has all matching numbers on the gun.
even has a dude's name on the back strap.
it's a DWM. the only other marks i've found are the crown over N.
safety is in german.
old guy i bought it from says it has capture papers, so i expect to have those in a day or so.
it came with a '41 dated holster.

brain · 08-02-2008, 04:24 PM

could'nt figure out to post several pics in one post.......

Edward Tinker · 08-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Brian, welcome to the forum! You have to upload upper right, copy the link and then post it into the reply box, for EACH picture.

What I see and hear so far is a commercial 9mm that was taken into military service. See the Crown N on the left and the 5 digit serial number.

Would like to see more pictures.

How far is Lebanon from Philly? I live near Allentown (20 miles south) and work in Bensalem, PA.

ed

brain · 08-02-2008, 05:04 PM

what would you like to see?
it has been given a pretty good fluff&buff.
i'm probably 1.5-2hrs from philly, about the same from Atown.

Edward Tinker · 08-02-2008, 11:40 PM

would like to see the "dudes" name on the back, is it scratched like a GI or stamped?

Ed

brain · 08-03-2008, 06:14 AM

i'd call it stamped.

John Sabato · 08-03-2008, 08:09 AM

Not military marked...Because of the uniformity of the stamping and the fact that it is a German name I would SPECULATE that this was a private purchase firearm by a German soldier, possibly an officer... but that is all specualtion.

brain · 08-03-2008, 06:07 PM

can anybody speculate on when it was made?

Ron Wood · 08-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Looks like a 1914 Commercial. Kind of a scarce gun. (Reporting from a fairly sunny day in Whitehorse, Canada!

)

brain · 08-03-2008, 09:39 PM

care to elaborate on the scarce part?

entrance fee was $600.

Ron Wood · 08-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Obviously I'm not traveling with my reference library, but there weren't very many1913/1914 commercial models produced (something to do with a little skirmish in Europe at that time). Someone else will have to look up the estimated production figures.

Dwight Gruber · 08-04-2008, 03:14 AM

Brian,

It may be possible to date the manufacture of your Luger within a couple of years. Please refer to these discussions:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=frame+spur
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=frame+spur
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...0667#post30667

and report whether your Luger has a straight or spurred recoil spring well; a reinforced or unreinforced frame; and an unrelieved or relieved sear bar. Your observations will help narrow down the time frame.

--Dwight

George Anderson · 08-04-2008, 08:51 AM

Brian,
Just a bit of info on the name "M. Huebsch"...the 1914 Rangliste shows only a Reservist Lt Schmitz-Huebsch (44 Fld Arty Regt) in the Imperial Army of 1914. The German Graves Registration has twelve men named M.Huebsch none of whom were officers. The Offizier Ehrenliste 1914-1918 does list one officer named Huebsch. He was an Oblt. (First Lieutenant) in Infantry Regiment 87. He may be your man.

I have a 1914 commercial like yours that is serial numbered 73982 and marked on the front grip strap with the name"NEUFVILLE". I believe that both pistols were probably made in 1914-1915.

brain · 08-04-2008, 09:48 AM

very interesting, thank you.
was this man kia? or is there no information reguarding that?

George Anderson · 08-04-2008, 10:03 AM

He survived WWI.

Lugerdoc · 08-05-2008, 10:17 AM

Brian, Your reblued frame appears to have been renumbered to match the 1914 Commerical upper, so I would classify as a mismatched shooter. TH

brain · 08-05-2008, 10:28 AM

what about it makes you think that?

Dwight Gruber · 08-05-2008, 12:47 PM

Brian,

It would be useful to know the serial numbers stamped on the bottom edges of the takedown lever and sideplate, and the number on the trigger (under the sideplate). Also the information I mentioned previously.

--Dwight

brain · 08-05-2008, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dwight Gruber
Brian,

It would be useful to know the serial numbers stamped on the bottom edges of the takedown lever and sideplate, and the number on the trigger (under the sideplate). Also the information I mentioned previously.

--Dwight

90 just like everything else.

brain · 08-05-2008, 05:30 PM

here's the spur.

08-02-2008, 04:09 PM	#1
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	looking for info not sure what i have.....other than a p08. first of all i know it has been refinished. it's a 9mm, has all matching numbers on the gun. even has a dude's name on the back strap. it's a DWM. the only other marks i've found are the crown over N. safety is in german. old guy i bought it from says it has capture papers, so i expect to have those in a day or so. it came with a '41 dated holster. Attached Thumbnails

08-02-2008, 04:24 PM	#2
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	could'nt figure out to post several pics in one post....... Attached Thumbnails

08-02-2008, 04:51 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	Brian, welcome to the forum! You have to upload upper right, copy the link and then post it into the reply box, for EACH picture. What I see and hear so far is a commercial 9mm that was taken into military service. See the Crown N on the left and the 5 digit serial number. Would like to see more pictures. How far is Lebanon from Philly? I live near Allentown (20 miles south) and work in Bensalem, PA. ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-02-2008, 05:04 PM	#4
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what would you like to see? it has been given a pretty good fluff&buff. i'm probably 1.5-2hrs from philly, about the same from Atown. Attached Thumbnails

08-02-2008, 11:40 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,911 Thanks: 1,987 Thanked 4,502 Times in 2,077 Posts	would like to see the "dudes" name on the back, is it scratched like a GI or stamped? Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-03-2008, 06:14 AM	#6
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i'd call it stamped. Attached Thumbnails

08-03-2008, 08:09 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Not military marked...Because of the uniformity of the stamping and the fact that it is a German name I would SPECULATE that this was a private purchase firearm by a German soldier, possibly an officer... but that is all specualtion. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-03-2008, 06:07 PM	#8
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	can anybody speculate on when it was made?

08-03-2008, 08:09 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Looks like a 1914 Commercial. Kind of a scarce gun. (Reporting from a fairly sunny day in Whitehorse, Canada!) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-03-2008, 09:39 PM	#10
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	care to elaborate on the scarce part? entrance fee was $600.

08-03-2008, 10:16 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,987 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,090 Times in 1,675 Posts	Obviously I'm not traveling with my reference library, but there weren't very many1913/1914 commercial models produced (something to do with a little skirmish in Europe at that time). Someone else will have to look up the estimated production figures. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-04-2008, 03:14 AM	#12
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Brian, It may be possible to date the manufacture of your Luger within a couple of years. Please refer to these discussions: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=frame+spur http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=frame+spur http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...0667#post30667 and report whether your Luger has a straight or spurred recoil spring well; a reinforced or unreinforced frame; and an unrelieved or relieved sear bar. Your observations will help narrow down the time frame. --Dwight

08-04-2008, 08:51 AM	#13
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	Brian, Just a bit of info on the name "M. Huebsch"...the 1914 Rangliste shows only a Reservist Lt Schmitz-Huebsch (44 Fld Arty Regt) in the Imperial Army of 1914. The German Graves Registration has twelve men named M.Huebsch none of whom were officers. The Offizier Ehrenliste 1914-1918 does list one officer named Huebsch. He was an Oblt. (First Lieutenant) in Infantry Regiment 87. He may be your man. I have a 1914 commercial like yours that is serial numbered 73982 and marked on the front grip strap with the name"NEUFVILLE". I believe that both pistols were probably made in 1914-1915.

08-04-2008, 09:48 AM	#14
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	very interesting, thank you. was this man kia? or is there no information reguarding that?

08-04-2008, 10:03 AM	#15
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	He survived WWI.

08-05-2008, 10:17 AM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Brian, Your reblued frame appears to have been renumbered to match the 1914 Commerical upper, so I would classify as a mismatched shooter. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

08-05-2008, 10:28 AM	#17
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what about it makes you think that?

08-05-2008, 12:47 PM	#18
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Brian, It would be useful to know the serial numbers stamped on the bottom edges of the takedown lever and sideplate, and the number on the trigger (under the sideplate). Also the information I mentioned previously. --Dwight

08-05-2008, 05:30 PM	#20
brain User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lebanon,pa Posts: 29 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here's the spur. Attached Thumbnails