BEWARE AA seller

Ron Smith · 10-06-2005, 09:38 AM

Seller goes by "abie". I recently purchased a 1913 Sauer rig from him. In the photos it appeared to be nearly a pristine "vet" rig. He stated "no rust or pitting". When I received it the slide was pitted, the bottom of the right grip was completely chipped away. The overall condition was a blue worn 60%. The holster was crumbling and the stitching was rotten.

I returned it for a refund on 9/23. He received it 9/26. When I inquired about my refund on 10/4. He said that he hadn't inspected it yet.

Yesterday I received a negative feedback on AA from him. Stating that I tried to renig on the deal after the auction was closed. Although, he also states that I bought the pistol and returned it???

It took 4 requests from me. And 5 days just to get him to respond to my requests for an address to send the payment to.

This guy is a loser. If you buy anything from him. Don't try to return it.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 10-06-2005, 10:24 AM

keep track, see if he changes his on-line name...

did you get your money back?

good luck, I have had no bad experiences, so, it is few and far between I believe....

ed

Ron Smith · 10-06-2005, 10:34 AM

Haven't heard from him about my refund. Waiting for a response from AA.

This is the first time that I have had any problems also. Most of the deals I have done through AA have been very good. And they are usually good about resolving these things. I had a problem a few months ago, but they helped me. Turned out to be just a mutual misunderstanding.

The seller and I are on very good terms since then. And I have made another purchase from him.

Keeping my fingers crossed

Ron

Ron Smith · 10-09-2005, 09:37 AM

Reply from "abie" via Auction Arms. :-D

"#1 - I already told Auction Arms that I had no problem with them changing your feedback to Neutral AND changing the wording as they see fit (to make you happy). #2 - Your refund was already mailed to you via Certified Mail. #3 - Auction Arms received all this information two (2) days ago. #4 - I received your E-mail AFTER the Auction closed. #5 - Nobody lied about YOU. #6 - There were no claims about or description of the holster in the listing AND you didn't ask any questions about the holster. #7 - The slide is not pitted. #8 - DO NOT contact me again."

The guy has a real problem with the truth...

c3006 · 10-09-2005, 12:53 PM

Did this guy have much previous positve feedback ??

Ron Smith · 10-09-2005, 01:24 PM

Clint,

He had 16 positives and no negatives, but I think this is the first time anyone has ever returned anything.

Ron

Brent B. · 10-09-2005, 01:44 PM

It'll be interesting to see if he re-lists the gun on AA or another site and see how he describes it.

zinfull · 10-09-2005, 02:03 PM

I think this is the rig

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7003975

Ron Smith · 10-09-2005, 02:37 PM

Hi Jerry,
That's it. In the second photo down you can see some blurred dark blue spots on the forward left side of the slide. In reality that is a cluster of fine pepper pitting. And on the forward half of the slide, the blue is faded. It appears that he has touched up the photo. He has also photographed it in the shade, so that the sun would'nt high light the faded blue or any touch ups. And was careful to keep the chipped grip in a shadow and never shows a full right side view.

He now mentions the chipped grip, but still doesn't mention that the holster is coming apart. "Can only see it if pistol is turned upside down??" I didn't have to turn it upside down.

His first disciption:
A Sauer & Son Model 1913 in .32 auto. I believe this is a SECOND SERIES. This is a true WWII bring back gun. The GI that brought it back just passed away. It has been in his family since WWII. It comes with the original holster and 2 magazines. Both magazines function fine. There is also a half box of old factory ammo. The bore is exceptional. There is some minor finish wear but no rust and no pitting. There is a 1 inch tear on the holster where it flaps over. I do not buy or sell many guns so I do not have much feedback here. Go to EBAY and check "JCORCORAN118" for hundreds of positive feedbacks. Best of all this will sell with NO RESERVE. The High Bidder takes it home. Buyer pays $25.00 shipping. Insurance is optional. NO RESERVE. Signed in ink FFL needed.

He had it relisted before I ever heard from AA Admin. or him.

Ron

10-09-2005, 02:37 PM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Hi Jerry, That's it. In the second photo down you can see some blurred dark blue spots on the forward left side of the slide. In reality that is a cluster of fine pepper pitting. And on the forward half of the slide, the blue is faded. It appears that he has touched up the photo. He has also photographed it in the shade, so that the sun would'nt high light the faded blue or any touch ups. And was careful to keep the chipped grip in a shadow and never shows a full right side view. He now mentions the chipped grip, but still doesn't mention that the holster is coming apart. "Can only see it if pistol is turned upside down??" I didn't have to turn it upside down. His first disciption: A Sauer & Son Model 1913 in .32 auto. I believe this is a SECOND SERIES. This is a true WWII bring back gun. The GI that brought it back just passed away. It has been in his family since WWII. It comes with the original holster and 2 magazines. Both magazines function fine. There is also a half box of old factory ammo. The bore is exceptional. There is some minor finish wear but no rust and no pitting. There is a 1 inch tear on the holster where it flaps over. I do not buy or sell many guns so I do not have much feedback here. Go to EBAY and check "JCORCORAN118" for hundreds of positive feedbacks. Best of all this will sell with NO RESERVE. The High Bidder takes it home. Buyer pays $25.00 shipping. Insurance is optional. NO RESERVE. Signed in ink FFL needed. He had it relisted before I ever heard from AA Admin. or him. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-06-2005, 09:38 AM	#1
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	BEWARE AA seller Seller goes by "abie". I recently purchased a 1913 Sauer rig from him. In the photos it appeared to be nearly a pristine "vet" rig. He stated "no rust or pitting". When I received it the slide was pitted, the bottom of the right grip was completely chipped away. The overall condition was a blue worn 60%. The holster was crumbling and the stitching was rotten. I returned it for a refund on 9/23. He received it 9/26. When I inquired about my refund on 10/4. He said that he hadn't inspected it yet. Yesterday I received a negative feedback on AA from him. Stating that I tried to renig on the deal after the auction was closed. Although, he also states that I bought the pistol and returned it??? It took 4 requests from me. And 5 days just to get him to respond to my requests for an address to send the payment to. This guy is a loser. If you buy anything from him. Don't try to return it. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-06-2005, 10:24 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	keep track, see if he changes his on-line name... did you get your money back? good luck, I have had no bad experiences, so, it is few and far between I believe.... ed

10-06-2005, 10:34 AM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Haven't heard from him about my refund. Waiting for a response from AA. This is the first time that I have had any problems also. Most of the deals I have done through AA have been very good. And they are usually good about resolving these things. I had a problem a few months ago, but they helped me. Turned out to be just a mutual misunderstanding. The seller and I are on very good terms since then. And I have made another purchase from him. Keeping my fingers crossed Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-09-2005, 09:37 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Reply from "abie" via Auction Arms. :-D "#1 - I already told Auction Arms that I had no problem with them changing your feedback to Neutral AND changing the wording as they see fit (to make you happy). #2 - Your refund was already mailed to you via Certified Mail. #3 - Auction Arms received all this information two (2) days ago. #4 - I received your E-mail AFTER the Auction closed. #5 - Nobody lied about YOU. #6 - There were no claims about or description of the holster in the listing AND you didn't ask any questions about the holster. #7 - The slide is not pitted. #8 - DO NOT contact me again." The guy has a real problem with the truth... __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-09-2005, 12:53 PM	#5
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Did this guy have much previous positve feedback ?? __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

10-09-2005, 01:24 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Clint, He had 16 positives and no negatives, but I think this is the first time anyone has ever returned anything. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

10-09-2005, 01:44 PM	#7
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It'll be interesting to see if he re-lists the gun on AA or another site and see how he describes it.

10-09-2005, 02:03 PM	#8
zinfull Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sonoma County CA Posts: 244 Thanks: 5 Thanked 34 Times in 17 Posts	I think this is the rig http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=7003975