Unusual Rear Toggle Link - MYSTERY SOLVED - Page 2

Lugerdoc · 06-26-2005, 07:34 AM

Herb, Remember that the DDR PO8 parts were made at the Thalmann plant in Suhl probably on the WW2 KH machinery. I doubt that the Finns or Norweigens made much in the way of PO8 parts, as I've found both Swiss and Mauser Parabellum parts used as repacement on imports from Scandahovia. TH

Luke · 06-26-2005, 08:26 AM

Hello Herb -

Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I haven't bought a copy of Gibson's book, and I think they are out of print. Tom Heller has commented that much good information is available in the book outside of the Kreighoff material. I'll have to look for a reasonably priced copy.

Anyone have a spare for sale?

Thanks,
Luke

Vlim · 06-27-2005, 06:19 AM

Tom,

You got a good point there. Interesting to see Ikea-lugers with Swiss replacement parts

Herb · 06-27-2005, 11:17 AM

Luke, I found two of them but both were right in the $150 range, it's a great book but I'm not sure it's worth that much, I think I got mine a couple of years back for $75.

Luke · 06-27-2005, 01:04 PM

Thanks, Herb.

I found one listed for $85.00 but have not been able to get a response from the seller yet. I'm guessing it might be gone already.

I agree; $150 is a bit steep.

Regards,
Luke

Luke · 07-30-2005, 08:38 AM

This is probably of interest to few if any of the contributors to this string, but I thought I would close out the subject by documenting my final observations.

As it turns out, this is very likely a standard DWM rear toggle link which has been - very skillfully - altered by some previous owner. Don't know, but I suspect that the knobs were turned smooth on a lathe and then polished.

Probably the alteration was made in Finland, as the person from whom I bought the gun was unaware of this unusual characteristic of the toggle, apparently had not even noticed the difference, and I am pretty sure that he bought this piece from the importer.

By pure accident I discovered that, under close inspection and using good lighting, it is possible to see barely discernable lines where the original lateral knurling lines were folded over the ends of the knobs. The result leaves the rear toggle link with readily observable checkering only on the ends of the knobs. See the picture in my first post on this subject. These barely discernable lines are so faint that they cannot be seen under normal observation conditions. The job was so skillfully done as to make the part appear to have been manufactured that way.

Thanks much for all your comments on the subject.

I will leave the toggle link with the gun, as I suspect it has been on this Luger for a long time.

Pete Ebbink · 07-30-2005, 11:10 AM

HK book for $ 85...item # 2853 on this web page listing :

http://www.wwiibooks.com/weapons.html

Luke · 07-30-2005, 11:24 AM

Hi Pete,

Fortunately, I already found a copy and bought it.

Thanks for remembering me.

Regards,
Luke

06-26-2005, 07:34 AM	#21
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Herb, Remember that the DDR PO8 parts were made at the Thalmann plant in Suhl probably on the WW2 KH machinery. I doubt that the Finns or Norweigens made much in the way of PO8 parts, as I've found both Swiss and Mauser Parabellum parts used as repacement on imports from Scandahovia. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-26-2005, 08:26 AM	#22
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Hello Herb - Thanks for the information. Unfortunately, I haven't bought a copy of Gibson's book, and I think they are out of print. Tom Heller has commented that much good information is available in the book outside of the Kreighoff material. I'll have to look for a reasonably priced copy. Anyone have a spare for sale? Thanks, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

06-27-2005, 11:17 AM	#24
Herb User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Utah, in the land of the Sleeping Rainbow Posts: 1,457 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Luke, I found two of them but both were right in the $150 range, it's a great book but I'm not sure it's worth that much, I think I got mine a couple of years back for $75. __________________ Utah, where gun control means a steady trigger pull

06-27-2005, 01:04 PM	#25
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Thanks, Herb. I found one listed for $85.00 but have not been able to get a response from the seller yet. I'm guessing it might be gone already. I agree; $150 is a bit steep. Regards, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

07-30-2005, 08:38 AM	#26
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	MYSTERY SOLVED This is probably of interest to few if any of the contributors to this string, but I thought I would close out the subject by documenting my final observations. As it turns out, this is very likely a standard DWM rear toggle link which has been - very skillfully - altered by some previous owner. Don't know, but I suspect that the knobs were turned smooth on a lathe and then polished. Probably the alteration was made in Finland, as the person from whom I bought the gun was unaware of this unusual characteristic of the toggle, apparently had not even noticed the difference, and I am pretty sure that he bought this piece from the importer. By pure accident I discovered that, under close inspection and using good lighting, it is possible to see barely discernable lines where the original lateral knurling lines were folded over the ends of the knobs. The result leaves the rear toggle link with readily observable checkering only on the ends of the knobs. See the picture in my first post on this subject. These barely discernable lines are so faint that they cannot be seen under normal observation conditions. The job was so skillfully done as to make the part appear to have been manufactured that way. Thanks much for all your comments on the subject. I will leave the toggle link with the gun, as I suspect it has been on this Luger for a long time. __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

06-27-2005, 06:19 AM	#23
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,988 Times in 1,205 Posts	Tom, You got a good point there. Interesting to see Ikea-lugers with Swiss replacement parts

07-30-2005, 11:10 AM	#27
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	HK book for $ 85...item # 2853 on this web page listing : http://www.wwiibooks.com/weapons.html

07-30-2005, 11:24 AM	#28
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	Hi Pete, Fortunately, I already found a copy and bought it. Thanks for remembering me. Regards, Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther