Unusual Rear Toggle Link - MYSTERY SOLVED
 

Can anyone identify this type rear toggle link?

Thanks,
Luke

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...oggle_link.jpg

Strictly a hunch Luke... but because of the type of knurling on the toggle knobs, and a dull military rather than a high polish commercial finish, I would have to say that this looks a Swiss Luger toggle to me...

Anyone got any other ideas???

If the knob center hole is campfered as they appear, it is a Krieghoff piece; if they are not, I don't have a clue

Tom A

Tom -

The knob center holes are cleanly chamfered on both sides.

Interesting that is is a Krieghoff. That's the last thing I would have suspected, but I have zero experience with Krieghoffs.

The part has no proof marks, inspector stamps, or serial numbers that I can find.

Thanks.

Luke

Luke,

I am not convinced it is an HK part...adding a chamfer in the holes would be easy enough to do.

Where are the parallel lines running down the sides of the "knobs" on this piece...???

See this photo that John D. posted of his 1938 HK in the Member's Gallery :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/1938_hk_knob.jpg

The lack of that knurling on the sides was the basis of my guess that the toggle was Swiss in origin... and not Krieghoff...

Pete, can you post a similar photo to Luke's of a Swiss made representative toggle?

thanks...

Hi John,

No dicing/knurling at all on M1929 Bern toggles...smooth as a baby's behind :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/29bern5.jpg

The M1906/24 W+F Bern is just like the DWM knobs :

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/bern24.jpg

http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/bern11.jpg

Luke...

My guess..maybe a Sarco, Inc. replacement part...???

or maybe even an East German replacement Part?

I sent Tom Heller a picture of this link, and he suggested that it was probably from a post-war Mauser. Tom is always right about these things, but I wondered if - possibly - there might be another Luger type where they were used. I can't find a picture like this in my Luger library, but I am still looking.

Luke

Luke:

Some Mauser Parabellums' 29/70 had a similar toggle although the one
I have is not chamfered.

Regards Ken D

Ken -

Do you have a detailed top-view picture of your Parabellum?

Thanks,
Luke

Luke:

Sorry I have an old computer operating on windows 95 with no
picture capability. Picture in" LUGER" by John Walter, page 132, but not
very clear.

Regards Ken D

Hi,

The 1972 version I have indeed lacks the stripes but does have a small line running parallel to the toggle ring sides, just where on an original the lines would stop. The center holes are straight.

So it doesn't quite match the toggle piece shown by Luke.

Hello Gerben,

Thank you. I have found the toggle you describe in some of my books, but have been unable to find a picture of the type I displayed in this string.

This must be a RARE and, therefore, extremely valuable part . . . not. :)

Luke

Hello Ken D - - -

Thanks anyway. As it turns out, that's the one Walter book I don't have.
As I mentioned in my reply to Gerben, I have found some pictures, but they all have a fine line where the original "checkering" would have ended. This part does not have that fine line.

Still a mystery.

Regards,
Luke

Gerben, If your toggle has a hole on top for an axel retaining pin, it is proably DDR production. If not, it is probably for a Mauser Parabellum, as the M29 Swiss, which are similar, usually bear the full serial number of the gun and a Swiss proof. The DDr rear links also have finer checkering (5 lines below the hole, as only 3 lines on the Parabellum) than the post war Mausers. Tom

Hi Tom,

It's not my toggle :)

Interesting that you mention DDR reproduction toggle pieces. Never realized they also produced completely new parts, apart from the barrels and springs.

A German-proofed Mauser Parabellum would indeed have a proof mark on the top of the rear toggle.

Could the piece pictured be a scandinavian produced spare part? Both the Finnish and the Norwegian army were longtime P08 users and might have had spare parts produced?

Gerben,

That is an interesting question.

We know that the Finns produced barrels. sights, and grips for the Luger. Could it be that they manufactured other spare parts?

My reservation would be that the rear toggle link is a part seldom broken or lost, so it seems unlikely that the Finns found it necessary to produce these.

Luke

Luke, if you have it, check pages 37 and 38 of Gibson's "The Kreighoff Parabellum". The impression I get from his discussion of the rear toggles is that the chamfer, or countersink, in the toggle hole is limited to the Kreighoff manufactureing process. Page 38 also has photos of different toggles.