Bhp ?

Roadkill · 01-30-2005, 09:14 PM

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...gename=rvi:1:1

Rusted helmet and pistol

"Fresh from the earth from the German attack on Russia. An acquaintance dug this up last year. Located it with a metal detector. This is rarely found. Nothing else could could be used from the grave, bones and the like. For collectors this is a lifetime rarity. Condition is very rusty, helmet has a small break, pistol is not complete."

1. Story doesn't figure unless it was a capture situation. I've read where the bolts would be removed from rifles, Mgs ect and thrown away. The fastest way to render a pistol useles is to seperate upper & lower and toss.

2. The pistol seems to be in less rusted condition than the helmet. And regardless of the type of pistol (unless a P08) the grips in some form would be present as would other hardware. Looks to me someone has made an attempt to clean it up and has removed the external parts.

3. The magazine release push through on the right side indicates to me its not a P38, maybe a HP , .45 or Radom?

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...sPageName=WDVW

This is just in case someone has a unit marked gun that matches the unit referenced in the photo. (RJB8)

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...150125247&rd=1

Any guess to what kind of pistol the officer is wearing?

Sorry to throw so much out..

Later

rk

stantheboltactionman · 01-30-2005, 09:27 PM

Pistol frame is a totally stripped Colt type 1911.

Ron Smith · 01-30-2005, 09:27 PM

rk,
That's a Colt 1911 frame. Odd that just a frame would be buried with a German helmet. Smells funny to me.

Ron

John Holbrook · 01-30-2005, 09:29 PM

The frame is a Colt 1911 frame with all the internal parts removed. In it's current condition, the serial number should still be legible......

Roadkill · 01-30-2005, 10:11 PM

I sent him an email asking for the serial #.

rk

John -Melb · 01-31-2005, 07:40 AM

I don't think they were buried together at all, the pistol frame is in much better condition that the helmet. If the frame did originate somewhere among german relics in Russia, then it's more likely to be a Norwegian M/1914 frame. These were copies of the M1911 Colt made for the Norwegian forces at Konsberg. Production had ceased by the time of the german occupation but was restarted by them.

If I can find the reference I'll let you all know the designation for this pistol the Germans used.

01-30-2005, 09:14 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Bhp ? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...gename=rvi:1:1 Rusted helmet and pistol "Fresh from the earth from the German attack on Russia. An acquaintance dug this up last year. Located it with a metal detector. This is rarely found. Nothing else could could be used from the grave, bones and the like. For collectors this is a lifetime rarity. Condition is very rusty, helmet has a small break, pistol is not complete." 1. Story doesn't figure unless it was a capture situation. I've read where the bolts would be removed from rifles, Mgs ect and thrown away. The fastest way to render a pistol useles is to seperate upper & lower and toss. 2. The pistol seems to be in less rusted condition than the helmet. And regardless of the type of pistol (unless a P08) the grips in some form would be present as would other hardware. Looks to me someone has made an attempt to clean it up and has removed the external parts. 3. The magazine release push through on the right side indicates to me its not a P38, maybe a HP , .45 or Radom? http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...sPageName=WDVW This is just in case someone has a unit marked gun that matches the unit referenced in the photo. (RJB8) http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...150125247&rd=1 Any guess to what kind of pistol the officer is wearing? Sorry to throw so much out.. Later rk

01-30-2005, 09:27 PM	#2
stantheboltactionman User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: N.E. Coastal South Carolina Posts: 25 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pistol frame is a totally stripped Colt type 1911. __________________ "This year will go down in history. For the first time,a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer,our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" Adolph Hitler, 1935

01-30-2005, 09:27 PM	#3
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	rk, That's a Colt 1911 frame. Odd that just a frame would be buried with a German helmet. Smells funny to me. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-30-2005, 09:29 PM	#4
John Holbrook RIP Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bellingham, WA. Posts: 109 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The frame is a Colt 1911 frame with all the internal parts removed. In it's current condition, the serial number should still be legible...... __________________ "Give me a fast ship, and I will sail in harms way!", John Paul Jones

01-30-2005, 10:11 PM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	I sent him an email asking for the serial #. rk

01-31-2005, 07:40 AM	#6
John -Melb User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Peoples Republic of Australia! Posts: 145 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think they were buried together at all, the pistol frame is in much better condition that the helmet. If the frame did originate somewhere among german relics in Russia, then it's more likely to be a Norwegian M/1914 frame. These were copies of the M1911 Colt made for the Norwegian forces at Konsberg. Production had ceased by the time of the german occupation but was restarted by them. If I can find the reference I'll let you all know the designation for this pistol the Germans used.