Navy Holster...???

Pete Ebbink · 01-23-2005, 10:40 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...507490684&rd=1

Edward Tinker · 01-23-2005, 10:50 PM

Pete, I was just about to post and ask a question on this same one!

It is very cool and unusual looking but....
??

Pete Ebbink · 01-23-2005, 10:58 PM

Hi Ed,

Not sure if the Imperial Navy had adopted a 4" barrel length in 1914...as the holster is date-stamped...

Regards,

Pete...

Heinz · 01-24-2005, 05:35 AM

Is a Leuchtpistolen a flare pistol? Could this be an officer's private purchase combination holster? Looks comparable to Bulgarian quality and style. Pretty pricey for a curiosity.

Navy · 01-24-2005, 06:19 AM

Guys,

I bought the holster several months ago and returned it. It is bogus. Had to get my bank to recall funds from PayPal as a result.

It is a W.W. II vintage flare gun holster that someone has added bogus imperial markings to. AS soon as you see it in the flesh, you know it ain't real. Doesn't look or smell right in person.

Tom A.

lew1 · 01-24-2005, 04:05 PM

Seems like someone used Buy-it-now to acquire the holster

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

John Sabato · 01-24-2005, 04:28 PM

The buyer IS a lugerforum member who evidently didn't have time to check in and read this thread...

Navy · 01-24-2005, 05:54 PM

John,

I believe the buyer is in Germany. Pls contact him, advise him of this thread and suggest that he go pick up the piece in person.

It takes about a nanosecond to spot the fakery in person.

Tom A.

Ron Smith · 01-24-2005, 10:27 PM

It's obviously not a Luger holster. The heal of the grip does fit into the pocket correctly.

John Sabato · 01-25-2005, 10:05 AM

Tom A,

I have sent Herr Trautmann an email and passed on your advice... I will let you all know if he responds.

Russ · 01-25-2005, 07:49 PM

I see it is relisted again.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...507900222&rd=1

Russ

John Sabato · 01-26-2005, 10:47 AM

Obviously, Herr Trautmann got my email and backed out... Fast work guys... we saved him a bundle...

PAOLO · 01-27-2005, 01:55 AM

Pete
Much more!The holster is marked 1904! And also the letters are not perfectly lined up.....

Pete Ebbink · 01-27-2005, 10:01 AM

Good eye, Paolo...

I thought the "1904" was "1914"...either way...I do not know if a 4" barrel was used on Navy lugers that early...

Regards,

Pete...

Navy · 01-27-2005, 10:07 AM

Pete,

You saw my 4" Navy 1908 in Chattanooga.
You gettin' senile like us old gasbags on this forum?

Tom A.

John Sabato · 01-27-2005, 02:34 PM

For confirmation of the 4 inch barrel Pete, I have seen original DWM (Nico) blueprints of the NAVY P-04 and it is shown on the prints with a 4 inch barrel.

Pete Ebbink · 01-29-2005, 02:19 PM

Guess I am Tom...thanks for the warm welcome to the gasbag club...

By the way, here might be the "starter stock" for this bogus holster :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=rvi:1:2v_home

Regards,

Pete...

01-23-2005, 10:40 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Navy Holster...??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...507490684&rd=1

01-23-2005, 10:50 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	Pete, I was just about to post and ask a question on this same one! It is very cool and unusual looking but.... ?? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-24-2005, 04:05 PM	#6
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	Seems like someone used Buy-it-now to acquire the holster http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...e=STRK:MEWA:IT __________________ charlie

01-24-2005, 04:28 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	The buyer IS a lugerforum member who evidently didn't have time to check in and read this thread... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-24-2005, 10:27 PM	#9
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	It's obviously not a Luger holster. The heal of the grip does fit into the pocket correctly. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

01-23-2005, 10:58 PM	#3
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Ed, Not sure if the Imperial Navy had adopted a 4" barrel length in 1914...as the holster is date-stamped... Regards, Pete...

01-24-2005, 05:35 AM	#4
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Is a Leuchtpistolen a flare pistol? Could this be an officer's private purchase combination holster? Looks comparable to Bulgarian quality and style. Pretty pricey for a curiosity.

01-24-2005, 06:19 AM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Guys, I bought the holster several months ago and returned it. It is bogus. Had to get my bank to recall funds from PayPal as a result. It is a W.W. II vintage flare gun holster that someone has added bogus imperial markings to. AS soon as you see it in the flesh, you know it ain't real. Doesn't look or smell right in person. Tom A.

01-24-2005, 05:54 PM	#8
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	John, I believe the buyer is in Germany. Pls contact him, advise him of this thread and suggest that he go pick up the piece in person. It takes about a nanosecond to spot the fakery in person. Tom A.

01-25-2005, 10:05 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Tom A, I have sent Herr Trautmann an email and passed on your advice... I will let you all know if he responds. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-25-2005, 07:49 PM	#11
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	I see it is relisted again. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...507900222&rd=1 Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

01-26-2005, 10:47 AM	#12
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Obviously, Herr Trautmann got my email and backed out... Fast work guys... we saved him a bundle... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-27-2005, 01:55 AM	#13
PAOLO User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cremona, Italy Posts: 27 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Pete Much more!The holster is marked 1904! And also the letters are not perfectly lined up..... __________________ PAOLO

01-27-2005, 10:01 AM	#14
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Good eye, Paolo... I thought the "1904" was "1914"...either way...I do not know if a 4" barrel was used on Navy lugers that early... Regards, Pete...

01-27-2005, 10:07 AM	#15
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, You saw my 4" Navy 1908 in Chattanooga. You gettin' senile like us old gasbags on this forum? Tom A.

01-27-2005, 02:34 PM	#16
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	For confirmation of the 4 inch barrel Pete, I have seen original DWM (Nico) blueprints of the NAVY P-04 and it is shown on the prints with a 4 inch barrel. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-29-2005, 02:19 PM	#17
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Guess I am Tom...thanks for the warm welcome to the gasbag club... By the way, here might be the "starter stock" for this bogus holster : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=rvi:1:2v_home Regards, Pete...