Police Luger

Russ · 09-24-2003, 09:07 PM

I picked up an interesting police luger today. The front grip strap is marked VPS The rear grip strap is marked WW2114. It was once a navy.C/M proofs on left side. It is a long frame with the grip safty removed. Just wondering what the unit marks are'?
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Thanks for any help.

Russ

jamese · 09-25-2003, 07:59 AM

Russ,

I'm not sure what the "VPS" is, but the "WW 2114"
is an Imperal Navy marking meaning "Werft Wilhelmshaven" or The Wilhelmshaven Arsenal weapon Nr. 2114. Wilhelmshaven was the small arms arsenal attached to the North Sea Naval Station.

There are Navy marking that have yet to be identified perhaps the "VPS" falls into that category. Maybe someone else can shed some light on the markings.

Can you post any photos of the gun ?

Jim

John Sabato · 09-25-2003, 10:21 AM

When you post your photos, I would also recommend that you make mention of their presence in the Navy Luger forum... I am sure those guys who frequent that forum might want to see the gun as well...

policeluger · 09-25-2003, 01:59 PM

Russ, is this the one you called me on, still waiting???

Edward Tinker · 09-27-2003, 02:27 PM

I added pictures for Russ and here are some more:

Pete Ebbink · 09-27-2003, 02:31 PM

...and no barrel/receiver "witness marks"...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Doubs · 09-27-2003, 03:01 PM

The E/N & E/J proofs on the barrel indicate that the barrel was replaced during or after 1939 by a commercial firm. The recessing of the receiver in the frame looks like a short receiver has been fit to a long frame. An interesting pistol that should be of interest to Police pistol collectors.

Russ · 09-27-2003, 07:45 PM

Ed
Thanks for posting the pics.

Doubs
The receiver has been cut down to accept a short frame barrel.

09-24-2003, 09:07 PM	#1
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Police Luger I picked up an interesting police luger today. The front grip strap is marked VPS The rear grip strap is marked WW2114. It was once a navy.C/M proofs on left side. It is a long frame with the grip safty removed. Just wondering what the unit marks are'? <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Thanks for any help. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

09-25-2003, 07:59 AM	#2
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Russ, I'm not sure what the "VPS" is, but the "WW 2114" is an Imperal Navy marking meaning "Werft Wilhelmshaven" or The Wilhelmshaven Arsenal weapon Nr. 2114. Wilhelmshaven was the small arms arsenal attached to the North Sea Naval Station. There are Navy marking that have yet to be identified perhaps the "VPS" falls into that category. Maybe someone else can shed some light on the markings. Can you post any photos of the gun ? Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

09-25-2003, 10:21 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	When you post your photos, I would also recommend that you make mention of their presence in the Navy Luger forum... I am sure those guys who frequent that forum might want to see the gun as well... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-27-2003, 02:27 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,967 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,596 Times in 2,117 Posts	I added pictures for Russ and here are some more: __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-27-2003, 07:45 PM	#8
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ed Thanks for posting the pics. Doubs The receiver has been cut down to accept a short frame barrel. __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

09-25-2003, 01:59 PM	#4
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Russ, is this the one you called me on, still waiting???

09-27-2003, 02:31 PM	#6
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	...and no barrel/receiver "witness marks"... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

09-27-2003, 03:01 PM	#7
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	The E/N & E/J proofs on the barrel indicate that the barrel was replaced during or after 1939 by a commercial firm. The recessing of the receiver in the frame looks like a short receiver has been fit to a long frame. An interesting pistol that should be of interest to Police pistol collectors.