1936 holster ..1939 toggle says 42 ????

Orvis25 · 08-29-2002, 11:24 AM

can a 1936 holster go with a 1939Ã?Â* (42 dated toggle luger pistol)?

Is a 1936 Ryffel & Borns (Hannover) holster rare

Frank · 08-29-2002, 11:53 AM

Hi Dan! It is well known fact that the Germans used WWI Holsters and Lugers in WWII, so it makes perfect sense to me that nearly any serviceable holster would be a possible match to any Luger.

For the purist, or dealer that is trying to make an extra buck or two on a so called "Rig", then the holster should have the same year as the holster. To me this is just hype!! IMHO

One would have to argue that the "Rig" should have a matching magazine and matching spare magazine as well as the properly marked tool, as well. You don't see this condition too often!

Edward Tinker · 08-29-2002, 12:45 PM

Frank I agree, I think it is nice to have a holster in the same time frame, but the exact year is not as likely to have happened on the battlefield. I think a WW1 era gun with a ww2 holster is very possible, but for a collection, I would want one that is within a couple of years.

LP08 · 08-29-2002, 03:12 PM

1936 R&B holsters are uncommon but not the rarest of luger holsters. 1935 Heinichen holsters are very rare and the only 1935 military P08 holsters I am aware of. 1936 holsters by Auwarter & Bubeck seem the most common followed by other makers such as R&B (personal observation--not formal study). 1937 holsters are very very hard to find. 1938 through 1942 are very common and many makers appear among them.

A 1936 holster is not at all unusual for a 1939 luger.

P. Ristan · 08-29-2002, 05:52 PM

".. 1935 Heinichen holsters are very rare and the only military P08 holsters I am aware of."

You can add "Otto Sindel Berlin" to the list of military P08 holsters produced in 1935. I have one in my collection. <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" />

P.Ristan

LP08 · 08-30-2002, 09:37 AM

That is the first 1935 military P08 holster I have heard of that is not a Heinichen. That is important information. Do you have any photos? Where is the maker's mark located? What color is the holster?

Thanks for any information you can provide. All non-Heinichen 1935s I have seen were police holsters.

08-29-2002, 11:24 AM	#1
Orvis25 User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 23 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1936 holster ..1939 toggle says 42 ???? can a 1936 holster go with a 1939Ã?Â* (42 dated toggle luger pistol)? Is a 1936 Ryffel & Borns (Hannover) holster rare

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Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,941 Thanks: 2,039 Thanked 4,547 Times in 2,100 Posts	Frank I agree, I think it is nice to have a holster in the same time frame, but the exact year is not as likely to have happened on the battlefield. I think a WW1 era gun with a ww2 holster is very possible, but for a collection, I would want one that is within a couple of years. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-29-2002, 11:53 AM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 163 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Dan! It is well known fact that the Germans used WWI Holsters and Lugers in WWII, so it makes perfect sense to me that nearly any serviceable holster would be a possible match to any Luger. For the purist, or dealer that is trying to make an extra buck or two on a so called "Rig", then the holster should have the same year as the holster. To me this is just hype!! IMHO One would have to argue that the "Rig" should have a matching magazine and matching spare magazine as well as the properly marked tool, as well. You don't see this condition too often!

08-29-2002, 03:12 PM	#4
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1936 R&B holsters are uncommon but not the rarest of luger holsters. 1935 Heinichen holsters are very rare and the only 1935 military P08 holsters I am aware of. 1936 holsters by Auwarter & Bubeck seem the most common followed by other makers such as R&B (personal observation--not formal study). 1937 holsters are very very hard to find. 1938 through 1942 are very common and many makers appear among them. A 1936 holster is not at all unusual for a 1939 luger.

08-29-2002, 05:52 PM	#5
P. Ristan User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	".. 1935 Heinichen holsters are very rare and the only military P08 holsters I am aware of." You can add "Otto Sindel Berlin" to the list of military P08 holsters produced in 1935. I have one in my collection. <img src="graemlins/jumper.gif" border="0" alt="[jumper]" /> P.Ristan

08-30-2002, 09:37 AM	#6
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That is the first 1935 military P08 holster I have heard of that is not a Heinichen. That is important information. Do you have any photos? Where is the maker's mark located? What color is the holster? Thanks for any information you can provide. All non-Heinichen 1935s I have seen were police holsters.