Lugers and FFL

BILL · 05-25-2001, 05:13 PM

Are all Lugers classified as Curios, Collectables and Relics? Is it due to the fact that they haven't been made for a certain number of years? Since it has been years since I had an FFL, I am not sure of what is considered a curio (not that DWM was still manufacturing Lugers when I had an FFL).

Kyrie · 05-25-2001, 05:22 PM

Hi Bill,

In short, a C&R firearm is any firearm listed by ATF as such, or any unaltered firearm made fifty or more years ago. Lugers are *mostly* C&R firearms. The Lugers that are not C&R firearms are those made in the 1970's.

Hope this helps!

Best regards

Kyrie

Dok · 05-25-2001, 06:39 PM

The C & R FFL license is obtainable from the BATF at a cost of $30 for four years and takes between three weeks and three months.

05-25-2001, 09:02 PM

C&R Lic is $30 for 3 years. A lot or semi-modern guns are considered curio and relics---Many commerative guns---The Ruger single-six first mod. flat gate for some examples. I believe the 1970's Mauser Luger Carbine is now C&R. Have to check the list to be sure.

05-25-2001, 09:30 PM

Even the 1970s Mauser 06/71s (Swiss Models) are on the C&R list.

Kyrie · 05-25-2001, 10:24 PM

Hi Tom,

Thank you, and I stand gratefully corrected

Purely FYI, here is the entry from ATF's C&R list:

* Luger, Model 1902 Cartridge Counter, Mauser

commercial, semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm, mfd. 1982.

Luger, pistol, all models and variations mfd. prior to

1946.

Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic

pistol, 70 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Kelsoreich

Russiand, commemorative, cal. 9mm.

Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic

pistol, 76 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, 1900- 1975,

commemorative, cal. 7.65mm.

Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic

pistol, 75 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Konigreich

Bulgarian, commemorative, caliber 7.65mm.

Luger, Mauser Parabellum, semiautomatic pistol, 7.65mm

or 9mm Luger, 4 and 6" barrel, Swiss pattern with grip

safety and the American Eagle stamped on the receiver;

made from 1970 to 1978.

Best regards,

Kyrie

Kyrie · 05-25-2001, 10:27 PM

Hi Dok,

Sometimes even longer, depending on how backed up the ATF licensing folks in Atlanta are. For anyone interested in obtaining a class 03 FFL (C&R FFL), here's a good place to start:

www.cruffler.com

Best regards,

Kyrie

Dok · 05-26-2001, 08:26 AM

if you are interested....

BILL · 05-26-2001, 01:44 PM

Thanks for the responses. I applied last month for the C&R and imagine it will be here shortly (or otherwise). I remember waiting forever for my FFL so, older and more patient, it is not a problem. I was just not sure how many of the pistols I am interested in were covered by the 'list'. Now the search is for Luger 'lay away plans', Luger 'credit card sales', Luger 'low cost loans', and of course Luger accessory dealers that accept PayPal. With today's technology we should be able to carefully inspect a firearm (closeup digital photos), ask questions (email), cover ourselves financially (Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, M.O., checks, etc) and FFL or C&R for the legal part, and safely acquire additions to a collection.

05-25-2001, 05:13 PM	#1
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugers and FFL Are all Lugers classified as Curios, Collectables and Relics? Is it due to the fact that they haven't been made for a certain number of years? Since it has been years since I had an FFL, I am not sure of what is considered a curio (not that DWM was still manufacturing Lugers when I had an FFL).

05-25-2001, 05:22 PM	#2
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Lugers and FFL Hi Bill, In short, a C&R firearm is any firearm listed by ATF as such, or any unaltered firearm made fifty or more years ago. Lugers are mostly C&R firearms. The Lugers that are not C&R firearms are those made in the 1970's. Hope this helps! Best regards Kyrie

05-25-2001, 06:39 PM	#3
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Lugers and FFL The C & R FFL license is obtainable from the BATF at a cost of $30 for four years and takes between three weeks and three months.

05-25-2001, 09:02 PM	#4
Art Buchanan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Lugers and FFL C&R Lic is $30 for 3 years. A lot or semi-modern guns are considered curio and relics---Many commerative guns---The Ruger single-six first mod. flat gate for some examples. I believe the 1970's Mauser Luger Carbine is now C&R. Have to check the list to be sure.

05-25-2001, 09:30 PM	#5
tom h Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Lugers and FFL Even the 1970s Mauser 06/71s (Swiss Models) are on the C&R list.

05-25-2001, 10:24 PM	#6
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Lugers and FFL Hi Tom, Thank you, and I stand gratefully corrected Purely FYI, here is the entry from ATF's C&R list: * Luger, Model 1902 Cartridge Counter, Mauser commercial, semiautomatic pistol, cal. 9mm, mfd. 1982. Luger, pistol, all models and variations mfd. prior to 1946. Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 70 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Kelsoreich Russiand, commemorative, cal. 9mm. Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 76 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, 1900- 1975, commemorative, cal. 7.65mm. Luger, Mauser commercial manufacture, semiautomatic pistol, 75 Jahre, Parabellum-Pistole, Konigreich Bulgarian, commemorative, caliber 7.65mm. Luger, Mauser Parabellum, semiautomatic pistol, 7.65mm or 9mm Luger, 4 and 6" barrel, Swiss pattern with grip safety and the American Eagle stamped on the receiver; made from 1970 to 1978. Best regards, Kyrie

05-25-2001, 10:27 PM	#7
Kyrie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 757 Thanks: 0 Thanked 212 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Lugers and FFL Hi Dok, Sometimes even longer, depending on how backed up the ATF licensing folks in Atlanta are. For anyone interested in obtaining a class 03 FFL (C&R FFL), here's a good place to start: www.cruffler.com Best regards, Kyrie

05-26-2001, 08:26 AM	#8
Dok RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Bermuda (Eat Your Heart Out) Posts: 1,626 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I have the C & R FFL app in PDF format... if you are interested....

05-26-2001, 01:44 PM	#9
BILL User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Western Washington Posts: 826 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: I have the C & R FFL app in PDF format... Thanks for the responses. I applied last month for the C&R and imagine it will be here shortly (or otherwise). I remember waiting forever for my FFL so, older and more patient, it is not a problem. I was just not sure how many of the pistols I am interested in were covered by the 'list'. Now the search is for Luger 'lay away plans', Luger 'credit card sales', Luger 'low cost loans', and of course Luger accessory dealers that accept PayPal. With today's technology we should be able to carefully inspect a firearm (closeup digital photos), ask questions (email), cover ourselves financially (Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, M.O., checks, etc) and FFL or C&R for the legal part, and safely acquire additions to a collection.