artillery stock/holster

the gunman · 11-30-2004, 09:14 AM

Another "BEAUTY" going off on Flea bay 2289884964
I can smell this up in vermont. When will they learn

Ron Wood · 11-30-2004, 09:56 AM

The guy vows that it is "original, not reproduction", but to me it screams repro. Am I wrong? (I don't think so)

George Anderson · 11-30-2004, 10:00 AM

I emailed the guy that it was a recent copy and that it looked like those sold by IMA. In his reply he called me everything but a .....!

The guy's a real raver. I think, perhaps, he got a real screwing when he bought it.

Pete Ebbink · 11-30-2004, 06:44 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2289884964

George Anderson · 12-01-2004, 08:53 AM

One of our friends in Texas is a bidder on this rig. He needs to get out of it.

John Sabato · 12-01-2004, 09:58 AM

I don't recognize any of the bidders except for Schwob (New England)... and Bob has stopped bidding, thank goodness...

George, If you know someone else in the bidders list, send them an email. If you don't know the email address, but know who it is, let me know and I will research the email address from the membership database... and contact them. We don't want any forum members getting burned if we can help it.

Ron Wood · 12-01-2004, 10:32 AM

I emailed the seller also, and, while his reply was not particularly rude, it is obvious that he does not want to be advised his rig is a repro. None are so blind as those who will not see.

jnewman · 12-01-2004, 10:51 AM

The seller added the disclaimer that he has been told his item is a repro. If he / and or a bidder want to believe the rig is authentic it is ok with me. They have been warned. Now while I have very limited knowledge on the subject I did e-mail the seller to describe the differences between mine and his. Perhaps he will change his mind.

George Anderson · 12-01-2004, 01:06 PM

John. the other fellow is a young man who flies choppers for the taxpayers. I will email him.

Pete Ebbink · 12-01-2004, 01:18 PM

Seller does have a sense of humor...read part of his new disclaimer :

" I have had a few self proclaimed luger experts give their opinion as to the authenticity of this holster. Since I am not a Luger holster expert with a doctorate in military luger holsterology, I cannot tell you if it is or isnt.Since my carbon dating machine to date the stock is in the shop, I cant do that, and since the "pet psycic" is outta town, I cannot have her talk to the stock and find out when it was made. "

I thought it a decent buy for under $ 200 for a repro set...IMHO...

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

jnewman · 12-01-2004, 01:39 PM

I agree he's a funny guy. Seller did e-mail back, says he will pull the auction and relist. The e-mail isn't real clear but I believe the new listing will state repro or at least state upfront the doubt that exist. Sounds like someone's money was saved during the Christmass season. Good going guys!

Malcolm P. · 12-01-2004, 04:43 PM

Since we are on the topic, are any black artillery rigs original? I understand that all of the issued WWI artillery holsters were brown, but I have wondered if some ended up being dyed black.

Morris Gardner · 12-02-2004, 02:31 AM

IMA Artillery repros are apparently miscut from a bad pattern and even a Luger with a 4 inch barrel will not fit into them without nearly superhuman effort. Even then, one can't come close to closing the flap properly. And there is the matter of the Crackerjack Box quality stock irons...

I emailed this info to seller and suggested that he get his hands on a Luger and try the holster on for size. In so doing, perhaps he will reconsider the "authenticity" of this item and react accordingly.

broomhandle · 12-05-2004, 07:53 AM

Hi All,

It sold for $400 "Buy it NOW"
Buyers name it held back.
I hope he is happy with it.
Sold ---NO RETURN permitted---

It looks like you fellows REALLY rattled the sellers cage.. I like that.

If it were real would it not have white/grey thread not black?

Be safe,
broomhandle - novice collector

Big Norm · 12-08-2004, 12:45 AM

The thing sold for $400??? It looks like we didn't rattle enough cages.
Big Norm

Steve Richards · 12-09-2004, 01:43 AM

I bought a repro stock and holster and had trouble getting the gun to fit. I soaked the holster and inserted the (protected) gun in it while the holster dried. It then fit very well. But, it was sold as a repro and was priced accordingly. Nothing wrong with a repro if it is sold as such. Besides, it is for a VERY missmatched/reblued 1930's commercial artillery.

With that being said, $400.00 is too much for a repro and if it is not represented properly, that is wrong!

11-30-2004, 09:14 AM	#1
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	artillery stock/holster Another "BEAUTY" going off on Flea bay 2289884964 I can smell this up in vermont. When will they learn

11-30-2004, 09:56 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	The guy vows that it is "original, not reproduction", but to me it screams repro. Am I wrong? (I don't think so) __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-01-2004, 09:58 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I don't recognize any of the bidders except for Schwob (New England)... and Bob has stopped bidding, thank goodness... George, If you know someone else in the bidders list, send them an email. If you don't know the email address, but know who it is, let me know and I will research the email address from the membership database... and contact them. We don't want any forum members getting burned if we can help it. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-01-2004, 10:32 AM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	I emailed the seller also, and, while his reply was not particularly rude, it is obvious that he does not want to be advised his rig is a repro. None are so blind as those who will not see. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-05-2004, 07:53 AM	#14
broomhandle User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Augusta Ga. Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi All, It sold for $400 "Buy it NOW" Buyers name it held back. I hope he is happy with it. Sold ---NO RETURN permitted--- It looks like you fellows REALLY rattled the sellers cage.. I like that. If it were real would it not have white/grey thread not black? Be safe, broomhandle - novice collector __________________ broomhandle

11-30-2004, 10:00 AM	#3
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	I emailed the guy that it was a recent copy and that it looked like those sold by IMA. In his reply he called me everything but a .....! The guy's a real raver. I think, perhaps, he got a real screwing when he bought it.

11-30-2004, 06:44 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=2289884964

12-01-2004, 08:53 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	One of our friends in Texas is a bidder on this rig. He needs to get out of it.

12-01-2004, 10:51 AM	#8
jnewman User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Macomb Township Michigan USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The seller added the disclaimer that he has been told his item is a repro. If he / and or a bidder want to believe the rig is authentic it is ok with me. They have been warned. Now while I have very limited knowledge on the subject I did e-mail the seller to describe the differences between mine and his. Perhaps he will change his mind.

12-01-2004, 01:06 PM	#9
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	John. the other fellow is a young man who flies choppers for the taxpayers. I will email him.

12-01-2004, 01:18 PM	#10
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Seller does have a sense of humor...read part of his new disclaimer : " I have had a few self proclaimed luger experts give their opinion as to the authenticity of this holster. Since I am not a Luger holster expert with a doctorate in military luger holsterology, I cannot tell you if it is or isnt.Since my carbon dating machine to date the stock is in the shop, I cant do that, and since the "pet psycic" is outta town, I cannot have her talk to the stock and find out when it was made. " I thought it a decent buy for under $ 200 for a repro set...IMHO... Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-01-2004, 01:39 PM	#11
jnewman User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Macomb Township Michigan USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I agree he's a funny guy. Seller did e-mail back, says he will pull the auction and relist. The e-mail isn't real clear but I believe the new listing will state repro or at least state upfront the doubt that exist. Sounds like someone's money was saved during the Christmass season. Good going guys!

12-01-2004, 04:43 PM	#12
Malcolm P. User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 57 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Since we are on the topic, are any black artillery rigs original? I understand that all of the issued WWI artillery holsters were brown, but I have wondered if some ended up being dyed black.

12-02-2004, 02:31 AM	#13
Morris Gardner User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	IMA Artillery repros are apparently miscut from a bad pattern and even a Luger with a 4 inch barrel will not fit into them without nearly superhuman effort. Even then, one can't come close to closing the flap properly. And there is the matter of the Crackerjack Box quality stock irons... I emailed this info to seller and suggested that he get his hands on a Luger and try the holster on for size. In so doing, perhaps he will reconsider the "authenticity" of this item and react accordingly.

12-08-2004, 12:45 AM	#15
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	The thing sold for $400??? It looks like we didn't rattle enough cages. Big Norm

12-09-2004, 01:43 AM	#16
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I bought a repro stock and holster and had trouble getting the gun to fit. I soaked the holster and inserted the (protected) gun in it while the holster dried. It then fit very well. But, it was sold as a repro and was priced accordingly. Nothing wrong with a repro if it is sold as such. Besides, it is for a VERY missmatched/reblued 1930's commercial artillery. With that being said, $400.00 is too much for a repro and if it is not represented properly, that is wrong!