New here and have a luger

John Titsworth Jr · 11-12-2003, 11:44 AM

I have tried to use the Luger Identification Form and the huge jpeg for this but I dont know enough about these pistols yet to tell much.

I think its a commercial luger and thats why I put it here.

I have pictures for you all to see. I am not sure how to upload them on this site, but I will figure it out.

If you can help me with this gun please let me know. Its caliber is 7.65mm

Thanks

John Titsworth, Jr.

John Sabato · 11-12-2003, 11:47 AM

John,

Welcome to the Lugerforum.

The Photo upload procedure is at the top of the message threads in the Site Help & Feedback Forum. There is a 180K filesize limit, but if you have any problems, just ask...

or you can email them to lugerforum@yahoo.com if you can't figure it out and I will post them for you. Please include your member number in the email. I get lots of em...

We will be glad to hear about and see your Luger and provide feedback.

Steve Richards · 11-12-2003, 08:18 PM

Welcome to our happy little family! I look forward to seeing the pictures of your pistol.

Steve

John Titsworth Jr · 11-12-2003, 10:23 PM

I changed my email address and it sent a new password to it which is at home where I am an the pictures are at work. I did get one to upload, but dont know where the link is. I will have to do it tommorow. The luger is not mine, but it may be depending on what you guys think of it. I hope the luger thing does not turn out to be like the Class 3 bug! I swore I would just buy one!

Thanks

John Jr

John Titsworth Jr · 11-13-2003, 01:48 PM

Going to try to post the pictures.

John Jr

Thats all it will let you put in I guess there are 3 more.

I hope that worked.

The guy wants like 1500 for this gun. I did the best I could not knowing much about these guns.

Thanks for any info you have

John Titsworth Jr · 11-13-2003, 01:50 PM

The other 3

John Sabato · 11-13-2003, 03:23 PM

Excellent Photography and a nice looking Luger.

Pete Ebbink · 11-13-2003, 03:28 PM

Hello John,

The 24th. edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values, on page 929, lists a 1920's commercial luger at 98% 'original' finish at $ 825.00 plus a 25% cost premium for a 9 mm caliber.

The $ 1500.00 asking price you mentioned seems very, very high for a plenitful and easy to find luger from the 1920's...

Cannot tell for sure from the photos, but this one might be a refinished piece (rather some parts...), so value then drops...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 11-13-2003, 05:12 PM

All,

Re: Blue Book prices on Lugers.
I quit buying the Bluebook several years ago because any correlation between their prices and what I encountered at shows, auctions and on the net was purely coincidental. I just WISH I could buy Lugers at prices the BB quotes.

Tom A.

ken d · 11-13-2003, 06:17 PM

Blue Book is off on many guns but $1500.00 is way to much for this 1920 coml Luger. Make a much lower offer. Again excellent photography!

regards

ken d

Ron Wood · 11-13-2003, 06:23 PM

It is a proper 1920 Commercial, or in Jan Still's terminology a Weimar Alphabet Serial Number DWM Commercial (Alphabet DWM for short), in decent condition and marked for export. To my eye it hasn't been messed with as near as I can tell from the photos. The current market value is around $900 give or take a little. The $1500 asking price is way out of line.

Aaron · 11-13-2003, 07:02 PM

Don't let the "Germany" stamp bother you. It is completely correct, and most of these pistols are so marked. I don't think you mentioned the bore condition, as that will have some bearing on the value. I agree the pistol is overpriced by $500 to $700.

John Titsworth Jr · 11-13-2003, 07:15 PM

Thanks for helping out. The bore looked OK and the 2 mags DO NOT match the gun either. I was thinking of offering $500 for it. Would that be around market for one without matching mags. How do you tell if its been redone or the parts are spares? I can look at it tommorow morning.

Thanks

John Jr

John Sabato · 11-14-2003, 09:46 AM

Sorry John, telling whether or not a particular gun has been refinished takes a practiced eye and is not something that you can learn in a single post or even a single read.

Basically, I look for the blurring of lines that should be sharp, the impressions of stamps and the like...

My gut feeling (without a personal examination under proper lighting and magnifying glass) is that I agree with Ron Wood's assessment that from the photographs provided it does not appear that this gun has been refinished.

I think $500 might be a lowball figure in today's market even without matching magazines... If you are dealing with a licensed dealer, I doubt he will go for that low an offer unless he got the gun for virtually nothing and is willing to grab some profit and run... $650 to $750 and the gun may go home with you after the waiting period. If it is a private sale... who knows what the owner is willing to take? The gun is not a rare variation, just one in apparently good shape.

Good Luck and let us know what happens.

Doubs · 11-14-2003, 12:40 PM

The 1920 Commercial Luger (Alphabet Luger) is THE most commonly encountered Luger of all and $1500 is simply a ridiculous asking price. John is much more accurate at $650 - $750. The halo on the barrel serial numbers and the sharpness of the "GERMANY" stamp as well as the edges I can see in the pictures indicate that the pistol has not been refinished. It appears to be a nice example and worth John's quoted value. But, $1,500? Not this year!

John Titsworth Jr · 11-16-2003, 08:42 PM

You guys have been more than kind to me and I thank you a bunch. One of these days I will get a Luger and will join the club. I think I will pass on this one. Take care.

John Titsworth, Jr.

the gunman · 11-16-2003, 09:27 PM

HI John smart move to pass at that price

John Sabato · 11-16-2003, 11:34 PM

You are already a member of the "club" John... there is no "ownership" requirement... just an admiration for some of the finest engineering in firearms history...

Tom Porter · 01-06-2004, 11:05 AM

Luger value:

I once sold a Luger (I DID NOT WANT TO SALE) for much more than it was worth to a serious collector. I told him it was over priced and he said "lets talk about that in 5 years....." I wish I still had that pistol...
Tom

Edward Tinker · 01-06-2004, 01:09 PM

Over-Priced is in the eye (and checkbook) of the beholder.

Ralph and I wer talking last summer, he said that he buys for the future, that sometimes he wants a piece and figures that, like you stated, in five years, the price will catch up.

Ed

11-12-2003, 11:44 AM	#1
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New here and have a luger I have tried to use the Luger Identification Form and the huge jpeg for this but I dont know enough about these pistols yet to tell much. I think its a commercial luger and thats why I put it here. I have pictures for you all to see. I am not sure how to upload them on this site, but I will figure it out. If you can help me with this gun please let me know. Its caliber is 7.65mm Thanks John Titsworth, Jr.

11-12-2003, 11:47 AM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	John, Welcome to the Lugerforum. The Photo upload procedure is at the top of the message threads in the Site Help & Feedback Forum. There is a 180K filesize limit, but if you have any problems, just ask... or you can email them to lugerforum@yahoo.com if you can't figure it out and I will post them for you. Please include your member number in the email. I get lots of em... We will be glad to hear about and see your Luger and provide feedback. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-13-2003, 03:23 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Excellent Photography and a nice looking Luger. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-13-2003, 06:23 PM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	It is a proper 1920 Commercial, or in Jan Still's terminology a Weimar Alphabet Serial Number DWM Commercial (Alphabet DWM for short), in decent condition and marked for export. To my eye it hasn't been messed with as near as I can tell from the photos. The current market value is around $900 give or take a little. The $1500 asking price is way out of line. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

11-14-2003, 09:46 AM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Sorry John, telling whether or not a particular gun has been refinished takes a practiced eye and is not something that you can learn in a single post or even a single read. Basically, I look for the blurring of lines that should be sharp, the impressions of stamps and the like... My gut feeling (without a personal examination under proper lighting and magnifying glass) is that I agree with Ron Wood's assessment that from the photographs provided it does not appear that this gun has been refinished. I think $500 might be a lowball figure in today's market even without matching magazines... If you are dealing with a licensed dealer, I doubt he will go for that low an offer unless he got the gun for virtually nothing and is willing to grab some profit and run... $650 to $750 and the gun may go home with you after the waiting period. If it is a private sale... who knows what the owner is willing to take? The gun is not a rare variation, just one in apparently good shape. Good Luck and let us know what happens. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-12-2003, 08:18 PM	#3
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Welcome to our happy little family! I look forward to seeing the pictures of your pistol. Steve

11-12-2003, 10:23 PM	#4
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I changed my email address and it sent a new password to it which is at home where I am an the pictures are at work. I did get one to upload, but dont know where the link is. I will have to do it tommorow. The luger is not mine, but it may be depending on what you guys think of it. I hope the luger thing does not turn out to be like the Class 3 bug! I swore I would just buy one! Thanks John Jr

11-13-2003, 01:48 PM	#5
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Going to try to post the pictures. John Jr Thats all it will let you put in I guess there are 3 more. I hope that worked. The guy wants like 1500 for this gun. I did the best I could not knowing much about these guns. Thanks for any info you have

11-13-2003, 01:50 PM	#6
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The other 3

11-13-2003, 03:28 PM	#8
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hello John, The 24th. edition of the Blue Book of Gun Values, on page 929, lists a 1920's commercial luger at 98% 'original' finish at $ 825.00 plus a 25% cost premium for a 9 mm caliber. The $ 1500.00 asking price you mentioned seems very, very high for a plenitful and easy to find luger from the 1920's... Cannot tell for sure from the photos, but this one might be a refinished piece (rather some parts...), so value then drops... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

11-13-2003, 05:12 PM	#9
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	All, Re: Blue Book prices on Lugers. I quit buying the Bluebook several years ago because any correlation between their prices and what I encountered at shows, auctions and on the net was purely coincidental. I just WISH I could buy Lugers at prices the BB quotes. Tom A.

11-13-2003, 06:17 PM	#10
ken d Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: louisville ky Posts: 277 Thanks: 31 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts	Blue Book is off on many guns but $1500.00 is way to much for this 1920 coml Luger. Make a much lower offer. Again excellent photography! regards ken d

11-13-2003, 07:02 PM	#12
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Don't let the "Germany" stamp bother you. It is completely correct, and most of these pistols are so marked. I don't think you mentioned the bore condition, as that will have some bearing on the value. I agree the pistol is overpriced by $500 to $700.

11-13-2003, 07:15 PM	#13
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for helping out. The bore looked OK and the 2 mags DO NOT match the gun either. I was thinking of offering $500 for it. Would that be around market for one without matching mags. How do you tell if its been redone or the parts are spares? I can look at it tommorow morning. Thanks John Jr

11-14-2003, 12:40 PM	#15
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	The 1920 Commercial Luger (Alphabet Luger) is THE most commonly encountered Luger of all and $1500 is simply a ridiculous asking price. John is much more accurate at $650 - $750. The halo on the barrel serial numbers and the sharpness of the "GERMANY" stamp as well as the edges I can see in the pictures indicate that the pistol has not been refinished. It appears to be a nice example and worth John's quoted value. But, $1,500? Not this year!

11-16-2003, 08:42 PM	#16
John Titsworth Jr User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Mena, Arkansas, USA Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	You guys have been more than kind to me and I thank you a bunch. One of these days I will get a Luger and will join the club. I think I will pass on this one. Take care. John Titsworth, Jr.

11-16-2003, 09:27 PM	#17
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	HI John smart move to pass at that price

11-16-2003, 11:34 PM	#18
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	You are already a member of the "club" John... there is no "ownership" requirement... just an admiration for some of the finest engineering in firearms history... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-06-2004, 11:05 AM	#19
Tom Porter User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Ga. Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger value: I once sold a Luger (I DID NOT WANT TO SALE) for much more than it was worth to a serious collector. I told him it was over priced and he said "lets talk about that in 5 years....." I wish I still had that pistol... Tom

01-06-2004, 01:09 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Over-Priced is in the eye (and checkbook) of the beholder. Ralph and I wer talking last summer, he said that he buys for the future, that sometimes he wants a piece and figures that, like you stated, in five years, the price will catch up. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV