40 - 41 Mauser banner markings

nahpatronen · 11-11-2003, 08:11 AM

I enclose 3 photos of different markings on the right side of the receiver:
40 - 41 9 mm

41 9 mm

41 7.65 mm

Are there any explanations of the different markings ?
Thanks
nahpatronen

Edward Tinker · 11-11-2003, 08:58 AM

From memory, on the road, no books with me.

First one is military

Second one is Police, but 7.65 is unusual, barrel changed later for re-sale? Any markings on the bottom of the barrel?

Last should be commercial, markings on the left?

lugerholsterrepair · 11-11-2003, 11:17 AM

Ed, The Eagle L is 9MM. Jerry Burney

nahpatronen · 11-11-2003, 01:56 PM

Please note here that all these have a Mauser banner - no 42 nor byf - so they are commercials, and not military.
nahpatronen

Doug G. · 11-11-2003, 05:20 PM

Your Eagle L should have a blank barrel. I suspect that the E/655 has had the toggle replaced or was a Banner pulled into military service?

lugerholsterrepair · 11-11-2003, 05:36 PM

nahpatronen, I am not sure I am too clear on what you mean by this...The Eagle L is definately Police and not commercial. The 40-41 has military acceptance marks on the right side so it is military. The blank receiver is probably commercial but that would be the only one. If you have another idea about this I would like to hear it. Jerry Burney

drbuster · 11-11-2003, 09:15 PM

I guess than nahpratonen doesn't realize that police lugers were stamped with the Mauser banner on the toggle, not exclusively so, but commonly. So a Mauser banner was not necessarily a commercial pistol.

Edward Tinker · 11-12-2003, 12:05 AM

Thanks Jerry, I am sure that John probably moved the pictures around,

But info was good to the best of my knowledge, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> and I have a Banner that Thor is going to redo, a real dog, he'll make it a beauty, matching Police Banner, so I knew the Banners were bought and used by the police, and that the E/655 was army acceptance.

Ed

nahpatronen · 11-12-2003, 03:11 AM

Please note that all 4 are factory new and completely numbermatching. They have all a Mauser logo on the toggle so that's why I called them commercials. Is the conclusion ?
Mauser banner + WaA655: Police ?
Mauser banner + L: Special police marking ?
Mauser banner + nothing: purely commercial ?
nahpatronen

Lugerdoc · 11-12-2003, 09:08 AM

NP, I suspect that your Banner E/L also has a commerical nitro proof on the LEFT SIDE of the receiver, either E/N or C/C/U. If your last one with the unmarked RIGHT receiver also has one of these proofs, it is a straight commerical. TH

drbuster · 11-12-2003, 09:15 AM

Dear nahpatronen, your conclsion above seems correct to me. Some Mauser banners were sent to the military from the factory, some for police duty and, to the best of my knowledge, fewest to the comercial market. After all, it was war time! Jan Still's Third Reich Lugers begins the section on banner lugers on page 136. Very informative reading!

nahpatronen · 11-13-2003, 03:23 AM

All have the same proof on the left side:

nahpatronen

Lugerdoc · 11-13-2003, 08:56 AM

NP, The eagle over N nitro proof shown above is the commerical test fire proof used after about April 1940. Th

11-11-2003, 08:11 AM	#1
nahpatronen User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	40 - 41 Mauser banner markings I enclose 3 photos of different markings on the right side of the receiver: 40 - 41 9 mm 41 9 mm 41 7.65 mm Are there any explanations of the different markings ? Thanks nahpatronen

11-11-2003, 08:58 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	From memory, on the road, no books with me. First one is military Second one is Police, but 7.65 is unusual, barrel changed later for re-sale? Any markings on the bottom of the barrel? Last should be commercial, markings on the left? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-11-2003, 11:17 AM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Ed, The Eagle L is 9MM. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-11-2003, 05:20 PM	#5
Doug G. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 713 Thanks: 1 Thanked 53 Times in 17 Posts	Your Eagle L should have a blank barrel. I suspect that the E/655 has had the toggle replaced or was a Banner pulled into military service? __________________ Suppose you were an idiot.....and suppose you were a member of Congress.....But I repeat myself" ~~ Mark Twain

11-11-2003, 05:36 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	nahpatronen, I am not sure I am too clear on what you mean by this...The Eagle L is definately Police and not commercial. The 40-41 has military acceptance marks on the right side so it is military. The blank receiver is probably commercial but that would be the only one. If you have another idea about this I would like to hear it. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

11-11-2003, 01:56 PM	#4
nahpatronen User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Please note here that all these have a Mauser banner - no 42 nor byf - so they are commercials, and not military. nahpatronen

11-11-2003, 09:15 PM	#7
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I guess than nahpratonen doesn't realize that police lugers were stamped with the Mauser banner on the toggle, not exclusively so, but commonly. So a Mauser banner was not necessarily a commercial pistol.

11-12-2003, 12:05 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Thanks Jerry, I am sure that John probably moved the pictures around, But info was good to the best of my knowledge, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> and I have a Banner that Thor is going to redo, a real dog, he'll make it a beauty, matching Police Banner, so I knew the Banners were bought and used by the police, and that the E/655 was army acceptance. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-12-2003, 03:11 AM	#9
nahpatronen User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Please note that all 4 are factory new and completely numbermatching. They have all a Mauser logo on the toggle so that's why I called them commercials. Is the conclusion ? Mauser banner + WaA655: Police ? Mauser banner + L: Special police marking ? Mauser banner + nothing: purely commercial ? nahpatronen

11-12-2003, 09:08 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	NP, I suspect that your Banner E/L also has a commerical nitro proof on the LEFT SIDE of the receiver, either E/N or C/C/U. If your last one with the unmarked RIGHT receiver also has one of these proofs, it is a straight commerical. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

11-12-2003, 09:15 AM	#11
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	Dear nahpatronen, your conclsion above seems correct to me. Some Mauser banners were sent to the military from the factory, some for police duty and, to the best of my knowledge, fewest to the comercial market. After all, it was war time! Jan Still's Third Reich Lugers begins the section on banner lugers on page 136. Very informative reading!

11-13-2003, 03:23 AM	#12
nahpatronen User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 32 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	All have the same proof on the left side: nahpatronen

11-13-2003, 08:56 AM	#13
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	NP, The eagle over N nitro proof shown above is the commerical test fire proof used after about April 1940. Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net