Regimental Marking , When And By Whom?

cirelaw · 05-17-2020, 10:43 AM

I own several unit marked lugers both on P08 and artillerys. Close to twenty years I have never seen the marking process explained.. Where were they applied? Factory or field? Did a particular regiment request them. When were they started and which are the rarest? Are there fakes?

gunbugs · 05-17-2020, 10:47 PM

I'll jump in and answer the last question first. Of course there are fakes. Anything that can be faked either has been, or will be faked.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 11:05 AM

How would you spot a fake?

hayhugh · 05-18-2020, 11:57 AM

You would know it was a fake because after doing due diligence: reading all available books on the subject and listing/reading all the knowledgeable questions and answers put to all the kind people on the "The Luger Forum" it would just be second nature...

George Anderson · 05-18-2020, 01:23 PM

I've only ever run across one faked unit marking and that one came for Minnie-sota.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 02:57 PM

George, All of my unit marked luger I purchased from you! That why I know are legit> In addition you supplied me with their individual unit history! None Better!

Doubs · 05-18-2020, 04:31 PM

When they left the factory, no one knew where they would go so they were marked at unit level by an armorer.

If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 09:27 PM

Did regimental markings have halos?

Norme · 05-18-2020, 09:37 PM

Almost always.

cirelaw · 05-18-2020, 09:50 PM

Thank You Norm!

Ron Wood · 05-18-2020, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Did regimental markings have halos?

I think Doubs pretty well answered that question:
"If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun."

Here are a couple of mine.
Ron

Neil Young · 05-18-2020, 11:16 PM

Ron, I am suffering from a severe case of lust for the G.d. pistol. Not sorry.............

Ron Wood · 05-19-2020, 01:12 AM

Niel,
I think you would make a spiffy looking Garde Grenadier in one of those tall funny looking Pope hats. I think they are called mitres...you mitre cut a dashing figure.

Ron

cirelaw · 05-19-2020, 12:03 PM

When did the emergence of halos begin ever cease or where there exceptions on some very early models? ie 1900 US Test~

JTD · 05-19-2020, 12:06 PM

Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

DavidJayUden · 05-19-2020, 10:43 PM

Throughout history, warriors have had some odd ideas on headgear, no?
dju

George Anderson · 05-20-2020, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTD

Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

Mitres were worn by straight legs.

JTD · 05-20-2020, 01:00 PM

Yea, thought of that after posting Geo.....

Heinz · 05-20-2020, 05:11 PM

Cirelaw. THe halo around the stamped letters is caused by the stamp being applied AFTER the surface was blued. Since regmental markings were applied after the gun had left factory and was blued, they always produce a halo becuase the disruption of the metal by the stamp stresses the oxide finish of the bluing. However, the halo can be very difficult to see and it can get very faint due to aging oxidizing the surface. Rebluing will also cover the halo. If you got it from George Anderson it is honest.
George; Washington PA produced some fake Unit Nmbers.

cirelaw · 05-20-2020, 06:37 PM

TKS Heinz I agree with you as to regimental marking all others I have my doubts as to serial numbers and import marks, Don't forget the eagle! They all had to be prebluing! Thanks for your input! My 1902 Fat Barrel has no halos including a sharp 'GERMANY' '22713' TKS The last one isn't mine! Demonstration only!Legacy has a good example https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...at-barrel.html All imprints are sharp!

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Regimental Marking , When And By Whom? I own several unit marked lugers both on P08 and artillerys. Close to twenty years I have never seen the marking process explained.. Where were they applied? Factory or field? Did a particular regiment request them. When were they started and which are the rarest? Are there fakes? Attached Images

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Almost always. Attached Thumbnails

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Thank You Norm! Attached Images

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Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 548 Thanks: 566 Thanked 443 Times in 168 Posts	Ron, I am suffering from a severe case of lust for the G.d. pistol. Not sorry............. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

05-19-2020, 01:12 AM	#13
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	Niel, I think you would make a spiffy looking Garde Grenadier in one of those tall funny looking Pope hats. I think they are called mitres...you mitre cut a dashing figure. Ron Attached Thumbnails __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 672 Thanks: 371 Thanked 1,202 Times in 407 Posts	I'll jump in and answer the last question first. Of course there are fakes. Anything that can be faked either has been, or will be faked.

05-18-2020, 11:05 AM	#3
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	How would you spot a fake?

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hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 880 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	You would know it was a fake because after doing due diligence: reading all available books on the subject and listing/reading all the knowledgeable questions and answers put to all the kind people on the "The Luger Forum" it would just be second nature...

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	I've only ever run across one faked unit marking and that one came for Minnie-sota.

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	George, All of my unit marked luger I purchased from you! That why I know are legit> In addition you supplied me with their individual unit history! None Better!

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Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,736 Thanks: 819 Thanked 1,769 Times in 586 Posts	When they left the factory, no one knew where they would go so they were marked at unit level by an armorer. If the finish is original they will likely show a halo around the stamps as they were applied after the finish was on the gun.

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Did regimental markings have halos?

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	When did the emergence of halos begin ever cease or where there exceptions on some very early models? ie 1900 US Test~

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JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Some nice pistols there Mr. Wood. Could you imagine trying to keep that on your head while on horseback? John

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DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Throughout history, warriors have had some odd ideas on headgear, no? dju

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JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Yea, thought of that after posting Geo.....

05-20-2020, 05:11 PM	#19
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Cirelaw. THe halo around the stamped letters is caused by the stamp being applied AFTER the surface was blued. Since regmental markings were applied after the gun had left factory and was blued, they always produce a halo becuase the disruption of the metal by the stamp stresses the oxide finish of the bluing. However, the halo can be very difficult to see and it can get very faint due to aging oxidizing the surface. Rebluing will also cover the halo. If you got it from George Anderson it is honest. George; Washington PA produced some fake Unit Nmbers.

05-20-2020, 06:37 PM	#20
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	TKS Heinz I agree with you as to regimental marking all others I have my doubts as to serial numbers and import marks, Don't forget the eagle! They all had to be prebluing! Thanks for your input! My 1902 Fat Barrel has no halos including a sharp 'GERMANY' '22713' TKS The last one isn't mine! Demonstration only!Legacy has a good example https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/...at-barrel.html All imprints are sharp! Attached Thumbnails Attached Images