Reproduction Snail Drum - progress - Page 7

PhilOhio · 03-23-2017, 10:24 AM

Don,

Couldn't agree more, re what quality is. It's why I admire modern military small arms... stamped metal, plastic, and all Again, the Germans come out near the top.

Lugers and old classics are in their own category.

And Jerry, I agree about not letting friends buy plastic guns. In theory. But I confess. I was a hold-out for decades, until a friend coerced me into shooting his Glock 27, I loved it, bought one, then two extra barrels, then a Glock 20 in 10mm, and extra long slide, and two more barrels...

It's called slippery slope syndrome.

But quality is what Don described; a bunch of considerations, all valid.

lugerholsterrepair · 03-23-2017, 02:10 PM

I have a fondness for items made from the turn of the Century up until about 1945, seems like after that things changed. The only plastic gun I own is my Colt AR15. I carried a weapon very similar to it in the Central Highlands for a couple of years..Well I take that back I have a half dozen Remington Model 66 Nylon .22 rifles. Those are cool..I guess I'm a hypocrite really!

DonVoigt · 03-23-2017, 04:04 PM

Jerry,
Yep, we all find a little of that in ourselves from time to time; I have several, well, perhaps too many plastic pistols. But when I go "out" they fit my pocket or purse better than a luger!

Now, about that Swiss extractor- will it fit a DWM breech block?

PhilOhio · 03-23-2017, 04:10 PM

Jerry, we can't help getting attached to personal firearms that are not for paper punching. It was that way with a Luger I had, long ago and far away. For several years, I had no other choice, and I worried about reliability. But both of us are happily and boringly stateside for good. Later, an FN Hi Power made me feel better, as I do with Glocks today.

I have a Nylon 66, and like and respect the design. It just works and works, far more accurately than many expect. I have an accuracy tweak, a small unobtrusive set screw threaded into the top front of the forearm, adjusted to bear lightly on the barrel. You can eliminate all barrel play, and the nylon is very stable. Remington should have kept refining their concept, in my opinion.

Danny Smart · 05-18-2017, 05:57 PM

how do I get GT to repair the snail drum?

DTR04 · 05-18-2017, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Smart

how do I get GT to repair the snail drum?

Contact GT @ gctomeks@msn.com

Danny Smart · 05-18-2017, 07:26 PM

thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

G.T. · 05-19-2017, 04:17 PM

Hi to all! Just for every ones information, I just sent the last 12 GT revised drums to Numrich for retail sale, and it will be some time before the next bunch is completed! The reason is, I have to order the steel, and make the main spring, before I can even start to do the other major operations in the revision process.... Anyway, if you want a GT one, here's your chance! Best to all, til....lat'r.....GT

robertmcw · 05-22-2017, 09:52 PM

G.T. I am Robert and I would like to have one of the revised drums.

Two days the were available from Numrich and today I looked to buy one they were not for sale.

Robert

G.T. · 05-22-2017, 10:04 PM

Hi Robert! I'd be happy to discuss the NUMRICH 32 round drum with you, and enlighten you as to what makes it operate correctly..
Although I can revise customers drums that have already been purchased, the retail outlet for them is NUMRICH GUN PARTS CORP. and if you order a drum set, drum & loader, make sure you, order/specify, the GT Edition.... It will fit, function and last! We can work out any kinks you have from that point forward! My email is: gctomeks@msn.com I am not a retail outlet, and we are at an understanding with NUMRICH that I'll not compete with them while the drum revision program goes forward... Once revised, they are a pretty neat and solid, "bit o'kit" Best to you, and thanks for your inquiry.....til...lat'r...GT....

robertmcw · 05-22-2017, 10:12 PM

Just edited my old post.
I got my BYF (41) from SOG in the mid 1990's and am finally playing with it.
It is was put away wet and left there - it is a Russian capture one.
Those guns are touchy!
So I guess I will need to wait until they have them available?
Robert

G.T. · 05-22-2017, 11:50 PM

Hi Robert, The reason they aren't readily available is that they require a TON of work to revise them to the design level initially intended, but due to some oversight, came up a little short in some important areas?... Adding to the problem, is, it would seem, I'm the only one silly enough to take on a revision program of the magnitude required to make them fit, work, and live!

... Many have followed this quest from the start, and I'm sure have effected revisions of there own, as we have not left a stone unturned in this quest....
My goal is to reach 50 units per month, and see how it goes from there?...
Numrich has been excellent to work with, and they have a great attitude as to the what we need to do to reach a common goal, and that is to make an affordable, and reliable drum magazine for the Luger enthusiast out there... I'm not going to kid you though it's a LOT of work, mixed in with some blood to make them perform as intended....

... but, they are a great item when the goal is finally met...

.... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

robertmcw · 05-24-2017, 07:33 AM

I checked the site and they are available today, and, I got one (5/24/2017). YABBA DOO!!!!!!!!!!!
(And I got the leather case too.)
Thanks for the heads up.
Robert

G.T. · 05-29-2017, 10:45 PM

Hi to all, I'm pretty sure you have all tired of the Numrich drum project some time ago?.... But, tired or not, here's the latest info on what's happening and what's happened?....

... Actually, it's all good!

I just sent the last 12 revised drums, completing a total mailing of 50 GT Edition drums so far? There were three prototype drums, and as far as I know, Ed Tinker got number 2, and the rest went out to someone, somewhere?.... I just hope they worked!
Anyway, I have just received the second lot of 50 units to revise, and they will be cycled thru with the very best efforts and knowledge I have at hand... And, as always, a couple of customer drums as well....
Also, in line with the revision project, I had to order a substantial amount of spring steel, as the price breaks come with quantity... and we have a serious quantity to address?... How many / much you might ask, ... more that the average person can lift.... actually, dead lift?....

... This all seems proper in the GT scheme of things and of life.... When I made the first two springs, I thought that was one too many.... Now look, obviously I need to fire my cost/ project analysis guy...

.... Best to all, til....lat'r.....GT....

Rick W. · 05-30-2017, 10:22 PM

There aint many that would even begin to take a project like this on; even one drum, much less many more than one.

I guess some things are not about money........passion is one of those things; you gotta have it inside.

You're the man G.T., you have it; a gift that most cannot fathom.

lugerholsterrepair · 05-30-2017, 11:01 PM

a gift that most cannot fathom. Well, I know I can't! passion is one of those things; you gotta have it inside. GT has it in spades! Good on ya Brother..Congratulations...I guess. Now look, obviously I need to fire my cost/ project analysis guy...Why bother..you got him working practically for free!

cirelaw · 05-30-2017, 11:05 PM

G.T. my idol, besides the handle are there any major differences between the old and new models? You Are Our Real Life Mechanical Hero! How about a better third model? Eric, Way Cooool!

G.T. · 05-31-2017, 02:11 AM

Hi to all, as to Erics question, all I can say is there are progressive changes to the number of stiffener rings pressed into the flats to add to the overall rigidity and strength of the assembly?... The early telescopic arm was probably not strong or reliable enough to do the job on a consistent basis... But, there are collectors here that can tell way more than I as to the reason for the changes made...
All in all, I'm most happy with the realization that every drum I revise, will end up with a Luger enthusiast, and will work reliably in an effort to spread the enjoyment that one can have with these wonderful items, at an affordable price.... In other words, we all can play! Even more importantly, as mentioned before, this forum is a major part of my Luger family.... and sacrifice for family is nothing new or strange to the crowd that lives here?.... I have many friends here, and many more that I've yet to meet.... You don't have to be far reaching or far sighted to be part of this group, the next shared quest and solid handshake is worth more than most realize.... And so it is the way it goes for me... More to come! Best to all, til...lat'r.....GT...

G.T. · 06-09-2017, 08:55 PM

Hi to all! I have received my newest installment of qty. 50 NUMRICH drums for the revisions and improvements that will bring them up to date for resale... The reason for this note, is that anyone who has an original non-revised NUMRICH drum, and would like all the improvements offered in the revision process, now is the time to send me your drum?... The cost of the revision is $115.00 and also includes improvement to the loader as well. I run them right in with the NUMRICH drums, and when they are all ready to go, I test fit, assemble, and test cycle, each drum in order to make sure they are as good as I can make them...

... anyway, this is the time should you feel the need! Best to all, til...lat'r...GT...

.. gctomeks@msn.com

G.T. SPECIALTIES
316 WEST STRAFORD DRIVE
CHANDLER, AZ 85225 - 7117

G.T. · 06-25-2017, 10:53 PM

Hi to all, This is the latest update for those who follow this insane quest! I just received notice that my order for NUMRICH Luger drum replacement mainspring, 1075 spring steel, is on the dock, ready for shipment!

... Well, nobody told me it just doesn't show up magically on my doorstep kind a like Christmas gift?....

Nope, you need a freight company... So, that (Very costly) arraignment was made, and as far as I know, the gears are turning and the steel is in route to my workshop now.... Hopefully they are wearing out tires to get here... I earlier had mentioned a large amount of spring steel was necessary for the task completion from beginning to end... and, it weighs in at exactly 950 pounds! ...

... Again, "Holy Crap!" ... I can barely life a 20 pack of bud light? (BTW, Bud light has a very critical place in this quest!) Soooo, it's going to be mainsprings, and mainsprings, and mainsprings, for awhile....

... They didn't build Rome in a day.... And, actually, I don't think the Romans had much to do with mainsprings anyway! Best to all, til...lat'r....GT...

03-23-2017, 02:10 PM	#122
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	I have a fondness for items made from the turn of the Century up until about 1945, seems like after that things changed. The only plastic gun I own is my Colt AR15. I carried a weapon very similar to it in the Central Highlands for a couple of years..Well I take that back I have a half dozen Remington Model 66 Nylon .22 rifles. Those are cool..I guess I'm a hypocrite really! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-23-2017, 04:04 PM	#123
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Jerry, Yep, we all find a little of that in ourselves from time to time; I have several, well, perhaps too many plastic pistols. But when I go "out" they fit my pocket or purse better than a luger! Now, about that Swiss extractor- will it fit a DWM breech block? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

03-23-2017, 04:10 PM	#124
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Attachments to Guns Jerry, we can't help getting attached to personal firearms that are not for paper punching. It was that way with a Luger I had, long ago and far away. For several years, I had no other choice, and I worried about reliability. But both of us are happily and boringly stateside for good. Later, an FN Hi Power made me feel better, as I do with Glocks today. I have a Nylon 66, and like and respect the design. It just works and works, far more accurately than many expect. I have an accuracy tweak, a small unobtrusive set screw threaded into the top front of the forearm, adjusted to bear lightly on the barrel. You can eliminate all barrel play, and the nylon is very stable. Remington should have kept refining their concept, in my opinion.

05-18-2017, 05:57 PM	#125
Danny Smart New User Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Drum update how do I get GT to repair the snail drum?

05-18-2017, 07:26 PM	#127
Danny Smart New User Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Reproduction Snail Drum thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-23-2017, 10:24 AM	#121
PhilOhio User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 145 Thanks: 5 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Don, Couldn't agree more, re what quality is. It's why I admire modern military small arms... stamped metal, plastic, and all Again, the Germans come out near the top. Lugers and old classics are in their own category. And Jerry, I agree about not letting friends buy plastic guns. In theory. But I confess. I was a hold-out for decades, until a friend coerced me into shooting his Glock 27, I loved it, bought one, then two extra barrels, then a Glock 20 in 10mm, and extra long slide, and two more barrels... It's called slippery slope syndrome. But quality is what Don described; a bunch of considerations, all valid.

05-19-2017, 04:17 PM	#128
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Revised drum update! Hi to all! Just for every ones information, I just sent the last 12 GT revised drums to Numrich for retail sale, and it will be some time before the next bunch is completed! The reason is, I have to order the steel, and make the main spring, before I can even start to do the other major operations in the revision process.... Anyway, if you want a GT one, here's your chance! Best to all, til....lat'r.....GT

05-22-2017, 09:52 PM	#129
robertmcw User Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	G.T. I am Robert and I would like to have one of the revised drums. Two days the were available from Numrich and today I looked to buy one they were not for sale. Robert

05-22-2017, 10:04 PM	#130
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	drum source! Hi Robert! I'd be happy to discuss the NUMRICH 32 round drum with you, and enlighten you as to what makes it operate correctly.. Although I can revise customers drums that have already been purchased, the retail outlet for them is NUMRICH GUN PARTS CORP. and if you order a drum set, drum & loader, make sure you, order/specify, the GT Edition.... It will fit, function and last! We can work out any kinks you have from that point forward! My email is: gctomeks@msn.com I am not a retail outlet, and we are at an understanding with NUMRICH that I'll not compete with them while the drum revision program goes forward... Once revised, they are a pretty neat and solid, "bit o'kit" Best to you, and thanks for your inquiry.....til...lat'r...GT....

05-22-2017, 10:12 PM	#131
robertmcw User Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Just edited my old post. I got my BYF (41) from SOG in the mid 1990's and am finally playing with it. It is was put away wet and left there - it is a Russian capture one. Those guns are touchy! So I guess I will need to wait until they have them available? Robert

05-22-2017, 11:50 PM	#132
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	email sent Hi Robert, The reason they aren't readily available is that they require a TON of work to revise them to the design level initially intended, but due to some oversight, came up a little short in some important areas?... Adding to the problem, is, it would seem, I'm the only one silly enough to take on a revision program of the magnitude required to make them fit, work, and live!... Many have followed this quest from the start, and I'm sure have effected revisions of there own, as we have not left a stone unturned in this quest.... My goal is to reach 50 units per month, and see how it goes from there?... Numrich has been excellent to work with, and they have a great attitude as to the what we need to do to reach a common goal, and that is to make an affordable, and reliable drum magazine for the Luger enthusiast out there... I'm not going to kid you though it's a LOT of work, mixed in with some blood to make them perform as intended.... ... but, they are a great item when the goal is finally met....... Best to all, til....lat'r....GT

05-24-2017, 07:33 AM	#133
robertmcw User Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	I checked the site and they are available today, and, I got one (5/24/2017). YABBA DOO!!!!!!!!!!! (And I got the leather case too.) Thanks for the heads up. Robert

05-29-2017, 10:45 PM	#134
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Numrich drum revision progress! Hi to all, I'm pretty sure you have all tired of the Numrich drum project some time ago?.... But, tired or not, here's the latest info on what's happening and what's happened?.... ... Actually, it's all good! I just sent the last 12 revised drums, completing a total mailing of 50 GT Edition drums so far? There were three prototype drums, and as far as I know, Ed Tinker got number 2, and the rest went out to someone, somewhere?.... I just hope they worked! Anyway, I have just received the second lot of 50 units to revise, and they will be cycled thru with the very best efforts and knowledge I have at hand... And, as always, a couple of customer drums as well.... Also, in line with the revision project, I had to order a substantial amount of spring steel, as the price breaks come with quantity... and we have a serious quantity to address?... How many / much you might ask, ... more that the average person can lift.... actually, dead lift?.... ... This all seems proper in the GT scheme of things and of life.... When I made the first two springs, I thought that was one too many.... Now look, obviously I need to fire my cost/ project analysis guy... .... Best to all, til....lat'r.....GT....

05-30-2017, 10:22 PM	#135
Rick W. User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 339 Thanks: 81 Thanked 359 Times in 198 Posts	There aint many that would even begin to take a project like this on; even one drum, much less many more than one. I guess some things are not about money........passion is one of those things; you gotta have it inside. You're the man G.T., you have it; a gift that most cannot fathom.

05-30-2017, 11:01 PM	#136
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	a gift that most cannot fathom. Well, I know I can't! passion is one of those things; you gotta have it inside. GT has it in spades! Good on ya Brother..Congratulations...I guess. Now look, obviously I need to fire my cost/ project analysis guy...Why bother..you got him working practically for free! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

05-30-2017, 11:05 PM	#137
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	G.T. my idol, besides the handle are there any major differences between the old and new models? You Are Our Real Life Mechanical Hero! How about a better third model? Eric, Way Cooool!

05-31-2017, 02:11 AM	#138
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	drum differences Hi to all, as to Erics question, all I can say is there are progressive changes to the number of stiffener rings pressed into the flats to add to the overall rigidity and strength of the assembly?... The early telescopic arm was probably not strong or reliable enough to do the job on a consistent basis... But, there are collectors here that can tell way more than I as to the reason for the changes made... All in all, I'm most happy with the realization that every drum I revise, will end up with a Luger enthusiast, and will work reliably in an effort to spread the enjoyment that one can have with these wonderful items, at an affordable price.... In other words, we all can play! Even more importantly, as mentioned before, this forum is a major part of my Luger family.... and sacrifice for family is nothing new or strange to the crowd that lives here?.... I have many friends here, and many more that I've yet to meet.... You don't have to be far reaching or far sighted to be part of this group, the next shared quest and solid handshake is worth more than most realize.... And so it is the way it goes for me... More to come! Best to all, til...lat'r.....GT...

06-09-2017, 08:55 PM	#139
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Last call for this current go-around! Hi to all! I have received my newest installment of qty. 50 NUMRICH drums for the revisions and improvements that will bring them up to date for resale... The reason for this note, is that anyone who has an original non-revised NUMRICH drum, and would like all the improvements offered in the revision process, now is the time to send me your drum?... The cost of the revision is $115.00 and also includes improvement to the loader as well. I run them right in with the NUMRICH drums, and when they are all ready to go, I test fit, assemble, and test cycle, each drum in order to make sure they are as good as I can make them... ... anyway, this is the time should you feel the need! Best to all, til...lat'r...GT..... gctomeks@msn.com G.T. SPECIALTIES 316 WEST STRAFORD DRIVE CHANDLER, AZ 85225 - 7117

06-25-2017, 10:53 PM	#140
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,530 Thanks: 1,334 Thanked 3,711 Times in 1,014 Posts	Grins and smiles! Hi to all, This is the latest update for those who follow this insane quest! I just received notice that my order for NUMRICH Luger drum replacement mainspring, 1075 spring steel, is on the dock, ready for shipment! ... Well, nobody told me it just doesn't show up magically on my doorstep kind a like Christmas gift?.... Nope, you need a freight company... So, that (Very costly) arraignment was made, and as far as I know, the gears are turning and the steel is in route to my workshop now.... Hopefully they are wearing out tires to get here... I earlier had mentioned a large amount of spring steel was necessary for the task completion from beginning to end... and, it weighs in at exactly 950 pounds! ...... Again, "Holy Crap!" ... I can barely life a 20 pack of bud light? (BTW, Bud light has a very critical place in this quest!) Soooo, it's going to be mainsprings, and mainsprings, and mainsprings, for awhile.... ... They didn't build Rome in a day.... And, actually, I don't think the Romans had much to do with mainsprings anyway! Best to all, til...lat'r....GT...