Artillery Luger Cleaning Rod Disassembly

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 03:45 PM

How do you disassemble an Artillery Luger wooden handle cleaning rod?

I have an Artillery cleaning rod with a nice handle but a broken steel rod. I would like to salvage the handle and replace the rod. Anyone have any experience on how to do this without damaging the handle? Thanks for any suggestions.

Daddydogg

lugerholsterrepair · 04-03-2016, 04:29 PM

Dog, There is no real way without drilling out the peened over top. Then you have the re assembly by peening on the new rod. Only guy I know who has real experience with this is Neil Young.

Norme · 04-03-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Daddydogg

How do you disassemble an Artillery Luger wooden handle cleaning rod?

I have an Artillery cleaning rod with a nice handle but a broken steel rod. I would like to salvage the handle and replace the rod. Anyone have any experience on how to do this without damaging the handle? Thanks for any suggestions.

Daddydogg

Hi Joseph, I shouldn't really be suggesting this, but if your rod is broken off near the tip it would be far simpler to convert it to a Navy rod.
Regards, Norm

ithacaartist · 04-03-2016, 08:55 PM

I'm curious as to the location of the break...is it near the tip, perhaps one of the rings, which are of course reduced diameter?

lugerholsterrepair · 04-03-2016, 08:58 PM

I'm curious to know HOW a rod like this could ever be broken anywhere..That's a serious piece of steel.

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I'm curious as to the location of the break...is it near the tip, perhaps one of the rings, which are of course reduced diameter?

It broke at the distal portion of the length of the smooth rod. At the second full turn of the screw segment.

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ithacaartist

I'm curious as to the location of the break...is it near the tip, perhaps one of the rings, which are of course reduced diameter?

At the second ring of the screw portion of the rod.

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 10:40 PM

This is the first time I have tried to upload pictures. If they came through, the pictures will say it all.

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 10:42 PM

Murphy's Law.

Norme · 04-03-2016, 10:53 PM

Hi Joseph, It seems to me that you have enough left to fashion a full length Navy rod. Navy rods are 207mm from tip to butt (or from stem to stern as they say in the Navy). The threaded portion including the 9mm ferule at the tip is 62mm. I'm enclosing the Navy rod blueprint for the early brass zig-zag version, but the dimensions are the same as for the later steel version.
Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 04-03-2016, 11:19 PM

Hard to tell but it looks like a reproduction rod..there;s little profit in it if it is. Unless you have nothing better to do.

Daddydogg · 04-03-2016, 11:42 PM

Proof marks are on the wooden handle and on the shaft of the metal rod.

lugerholsterrepair · 04-03-2016, 11:48 PM

My Bad! As you were.

George Anderson · 04-04-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Well now we know it;s a repro.

Why a repro Jerry?

lugerholsterrepair · 04-04-2016, 12:46 PM

Sorry George..I jumped to a foolish conclusion. Lost my mind. Please disregard!

Neil Young · 04-04-2016, 02:55 PM

Don't feel bad Jerry. It happens to all of us--well, all of those who are willing to admit it. Heck, I only rarely come out of the fog.

wlyon · 04-04-2016, 03:22 PM

Neil : After a certain age why even bother?????? Bill

Ron Wood · 04-04-2016, 05:05 PM

Neil & Bill: The fog is a happy place

. I choose to reject most reality and substitute my own.

Daddydogg · 04-07-2016, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Norme

Hi Joseph, It seems to me that you have enough left to fashion a full length Navy rod. Navy rods are 207mm from tip to butt (or from stem to stern as they say in the Navy). The threaded portion including the 9mm ferule at the tip is 62mm. I'm enclosing the Navy rod blueprint for the early brass zig-zag version, but the dimensions are the same as for the later steel version.
Regards, Norm

Hello Norm,

Well I took the rod and compared it to a navy holsters' cleaning rod pouch. The fit is perfect. So much so that I wonder if the rod was intentionally broken off at that length, for use with a navy holster. For now I think I will not make any attempt to further modify it. Thanks for your insight and comments.

Best regards,
Joe G.

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Daddydogg User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 69 Thanks: 35 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Artillery Luger Cleaning Rod Disassembly How do you disassemble an Artillery Luger wooden handle cleaning rod? I have an Artillery cleaning rod with a nice handle but a broken steel rod. I would like to salvage the handle and replace the rod. Anyone have any experience on how to do this without damaging the handle? Thanks for any suggestions. Daddydogg

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	Dog, There is no real way without drilling out the peened over top. Then you have the re assembly by peening on the new rod. Only guy I know who has real experience with this is Neil Young. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,348 Thanks: 7,303 Thanked 2,579 Times in 1,366 Posts	I'm curious as to the location of the break...is it near the tip, perhaps one of the rings, which are of course reduced diameter? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	I'm curious to know HOW a rod like this could ever be broken anywhere..That's a serious piece of steel. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Daddydogg User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 69 Thanks: 35 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Pictures of the break This is the first time I have tried to upload pictures. If they came through, the pictures will say it all. Attached Thumbnails

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Daddydogg User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 69 Thanks: 35 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Murphy's Law.

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,605 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Joseph, It seems to me that you have enough left to fashion a full length Navy rod. Navy rods are 207mm from tip to butt (or from stem to stern as they say in the Navy). The threaded portion including the 9mm ferule at the tip is 62mm. I'm enclosing the Navy rod blueprint for the early brass zig-zag version, but the dimensions are the same as for the later steel version. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	Hard to tell but it looks like a reproduction rod..there;s little profit in it if it is. Unless you have nothing better to do. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

04-03-2016, 11:42 PM	#12
Daddydogg User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Washington State Posts: 69 Thanks: 35 Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts	Proof marks are on the wooden handle and on the shaft of the metal rod.

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	My Bad! As you were. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know." Last edited by lugerholsterrepair; 04-04-2016 at 12:47 PM.

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lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,774 Thanks: 4,953 Thanked 3,126 Times in 1,435 Posts	Sorry George..I jumped to a foolish conclusion. Lost my mind. Please disregard! __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 546 Thanks: 559 Thanked 442 Times in 168 Posts	Don't feel bad Jerry. It happens to all of us--well, all of those who are willing to admit it. Heck, I only rarely come out of the fog. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

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wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,638 Thanks: 3,182 Thanked 2,569 Times in 957 Posts	Neil : After a certain age why even bother?????? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

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