Magazine safety Police P08

rpbcps · 02-22-2016, 11:22 AM

Recently I came across a Police P08, which still has the magazine safety fitted and working.

There are no unit markings on the grip straps, although there is a 'P' stamped, the same 'P' stamping is also on the chamber.

On the bottom of the barrel, just below the serial number is what appears to be a Frankfurt 'G', although the frame serial suffix appears to be 'r'.

Finally the red mark for safety on the Frame is something I have not seen before.

Stay safe
Richard

Edward Tinker · 02-22-2016, 11:40 AM

See if the mag safety has been cut - a close up of it from a couple of angles could tell us (as its rare to find one intact).

the white dot and the red dot are reminiscent of a P38 - almost sure it is post war - the luger never had a red dot

the markings look like Vopo, if so, then the sear and mag safety are usually disabled / taken off

Ed

Don M · 02-22-2016, 12:05 PM

The photos appear to show a completely intact mag safety. However, the "anchor" portion of the spring in the slot on the frame looks somewhat different from any I recall. It appears to not fill the slot. Over the years, I have seen discussions on the forums about the possibility of replacing missing or clipped mag safeties with intact ones. I don't recall any confirmation that this was done but I wonder if that was a possibility here.

rpbcps · 02-22-2016, 12:08 PM

Ed,
Neither the sear nor the magazine safety are disabled, here are a couple of photos as requested.

Stay safe
Richard

wlyon · 02-22-2016, 12:23 PM

To me the proofs look like British. Also has been reblued. Interesting anyway. Bill

rpbcps · 02-22-2016, 12:36 PM

Don,
Just spotted your reply, here is a photo with the grip removed.

Stay Safe
Richard

rpbcps · 02-22-2016, 12:42 PM

Bill,
This one is based in Britain, so with our draconian gun laws, it has been deactivated, hence the British deactivation proofs.

Edward Tinker · 02-22-2016, 02:11 PM

I know of at least three 'replaced' mag safeties and 2-4 original ones.

Not very common to find them intact...

BAT340 · 03-04-2016, 09:06 AM

I have a police conversion 1910, it has the sear safety, but not the mag safety.....Is this normal, unusual....?

Sergio Natali · 03-04-2016, 11:33 AM

Nice gun although reblued and with the Birmingham inspection mark if I'm not wrong..

Best.

Don M · 03-04-2016, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAT340

I have a police conversion 1910, it has the sear safety, but not the mag safety.....Is this normal, unusual....?

Neither. It depends on the particular state and when the sear safety was added. For example, Prussian Schupo and Landjägerei apparently added both soon after the order was issued in 8/1933. However, by about 1936, the mag safeties were recognized as not being a good idea and in 1937 the Prussians ordered them removed. States that waited until 1936 or so apparently never installed the mag safeties.

02-22-2016, 11:22 AM	#1
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Magazine safety Police P08 Recently I came across a Police P08, which still has the magazine safety fitted and working. There are no unit markings on the grip straps, although there is a 'P' stamped, the same 'P' stamping is also on the chamber. On the bottom of the barrel, just below the serial number is what appears to be a Frankfurt 'G', although the frame serial suffix appears to be 'r'. Finally the red mark for safety on the Frame is something I have not seen before. Stay safe Richard Attached Thumbnails

02-22-2016, 11:40 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	See if the mag safety has been cut - a close up of it from a couple of angles could tell us (as its rare to find one intact). the white dot and the red dot are reminiscent of a P38 - almost sure it is post war - the luger never had a red dot the markings look like Vopo, if so, then the sear and mag safety are usually disabled / taken off Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-22-2016, 12:05 PM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The photos appear to show a completely intact mag safety. However, the "anchor" portion of the spring in the slot on the frame looks somewhat different from any I recall. It appears to not fill the slot. Over the years, I have seen discussions on the forums about the possibility of replacing missing or clipped mag safeties with intact ones. I don't recall any confirmation that this was done but I wonder if that was a possibility here. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-22-2016, 12:08 PM	#4
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Ed, Neither the sear nor the magazine safety are disabled, here are a couple of photos as requested. Stay safe Richard Attached Thumbnails

02-22-2016, 12:23 PM	#5
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,619 Thanks: 3,144 Thanked 2,530 Times in 943 Posts	To me the proofs look like British. Also has been reblued. Interesting anyway. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-22-2016, 12:36 PM	#6
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Don, Just spotted your reply, here is a photo with the grip removed. Stay Safe Richard Attached Thumbnails

02-22-2016, 12:42 PM	#7
rpbcps Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Home base UK, but spend a lot of time overseas working. Posts: 125 Thanks: 62 Thanked 158 Times in 49 Posts	Bill, This one is based in Britain, so with our draconian gun laws, it has been deactivated, hence the British deactivation proofs.

02-22-2016, 02:11 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	I know of at least three 'replaced' mag safeties and 2-4 original ones. Not very common to find them intact... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

03-04-2016, 09:06 AM	#9
BAT340 User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 21 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	I have a police conversion 1910, it has the sear safety, but not the mag safety.....Is this normal, unusual....?

03-04-2016, 11:33 AM	#10
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Nice gun although reblued and with the Birmingham inspection mark if I'm not wrong.. Best. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.