Anyone want Albert Speer's "Artillery" Luger?

alanint · 02-15-2016, 08:42 PM

Interesting, aside from the misidentification as an "Artillery".

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/2621-391/

DavidJayUden · 02-15-2016, 09:24 PM

An interesting and beautiful Luger, to be sure.
dju

OIF2 · 02-15-2016, 09:28 PM

Wonder if he shot it?
Bob

lugerholsterrepair · 02-15-2016, 09:52 PM

Is there some valid reason for this to be in the for sale section?

DonVoigt · 02-15-2016, 10:20 PM

Beautiful piece, but where is the connection to Speer? No provenance; anyone can engrave a name in grips!

I seriously doubt a high ranking official would have been given a 1920/1921 dated luger with mixed magazines! A new made Mauser Luger perhaps; but an old luger from a hated(by the Nazis) government of Germany????

lugerholsterrepair · 02-15-2016, 10:26 PM

Pure fantasy on the Speer connection. Speer was a small man and a high official. IF he ever had any pistol it was no larger than a PPk.

Edward Tinker · 02-15-2016, 11:11 PM

I could see someone getting a fancy gun as a presentation; but I too feel that if anything was given, it would be a brand new weapon or refurbished to the point of no previous markings on it - unless of course it had been 'theirs' in previous years...

I have seen several 'presentation' pistols for sale that I felt were likely not real presentation guns.

BY the way, I moved this to the General section, but can understand why it was put in the for sale area

LU1900 · 02-15-2016, 11:23 PM

Need to use Speer bullet only perhaps

Ron Wood · 02-16-2016, 12:11 AM

It may be pure fantasy with regard to the Speer connection, but it is a top quality superb example of a custom gun with master level engraving. Did you notice the full length rib on the barrel? That is no hack job. Somebody sometime put some extensive work into creating this piece. If I was rich and had no reservation about spending money, I would buy it in a heartbeat.

Zorba · 02-16-2016, 02:22 AM

Nice piece. I guess they had to put Speer's name on it since my Luger belonged to one A. Hitler!

Sergio Natali · 02-16-2016, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Pure fantasy on the Speer connection. Speer was a small man and a high official. IF he ever had any pistol it was no larger than a PPk.

In my opinion it's a work of art, really, but I share Jerry's and other people's point of view about "the story".

Diver6106 · 02-16-2016, 10:39 AM

It could have been made for Speer, but it was never given to him and he never fired it. Oh, and he never knew about it...

cirelaw · 02-16-2016, 11:09 AM

Its better off without the association~

sheepherder · 02-16-2016, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zormpas

Nice piece. I guess they had to put Speer's name on it since my Luger belonged to one A. Hitler!

I have Yamamoto's artillery Nambu...

Zorba · 02-16-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sheepherder

I have Yamamoto's artillery Nambu...

rhuff · 02-16-2016, 02:49 PM

It is a beautiful Luger...Speer or no Speer. That engraving was done by a master engraver, and the whole package is excellent in my eyes. I know some folks don't care for engraved guns, but if they are done correctly, they really appeal to me. This one is way out of my league price wise!!

cirelaw · 02-16-2016, 02:54 PM

Beware of engraved lugers~~ http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...17.09.04-1.pdf

Sergio Natali · 02-17-2016, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Beware of engraved lugers~~ http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...17.09.04-1.pdf

Yes long ago I think posted that piece too, and probably it's a good thing to re-read it sometimes.

Regards.

alanint · 02-17-2016, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lugerholsterrepair

Is there some valid reason for this to be in the for sale section?

Hmm, because the item is for sale and someone here might want to bid on it?

lugerholsterrepair · 02-17-2016, 11:45 AM

Auctions are prohibited on the for sale section.. This is the "for sale" part of the Forum. NOT an "alert to any auction on Planet Earth section" It is meant for the use of our Members who have items they would like to offer to other Members. It is REQUIRED by our rules to have a set price. It IS NOT an auction. Your post violates all of these precepts. Please read the FORUM RULES you agreed to abide by.

02-15-2016, 08:42 PM	#1
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02-15-2016, 09:52 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Is there some valid reason for this to be in the for sale section? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-15-2016, 10:20 PM	#5
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Beautiful piece, but where is the connection to Speer? No provenance; anyone can engrave a name in grips! I seriously doubt a high ranking official would have been given a 1920/1921 dated luger with mixed magazines! A new made Mauser Luger perhaps; but an old luger from a hated(by the Nazis) government of Germany???? __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-15-2016, 10:26 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Pure fantasy on the Speer connection. Speer was a small man and a high official. IF he ever had any pistol it was no larger than a PPk. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

02-15-2016, 11:23 PM	#8
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 912 Thanks: 46 Thanked 473 Times in 199 Posts	Need to use Speer bullet only perhaps __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

02-15-2016, 09:24 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	An interesting and beautiful Luger, to be sure. dju

02-15-2016, 09:28 PM	#3
OIF2 User Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: TEXAS Posts: 83 Thanks: 133 Thanked 73 Times in 25 Posts	Wonder if he shot it? Bob

02-15-2016, 11:11 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	I could see someone getting a fancy gun as a presentation; but I too feel that if anything was given, it would be a brand new weapon or refurbished to the point of no previous markings on it - unless of course it had been 'theirs' in previous years... I have seen several 'presentation' pistols for sale that I felt were likely not real presentation guns. BY the way, I moved this to the General section, but can understand why it was put in the for sale area

02-16-2016, 12:11 AM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,040 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,257 Times in 1,724 Posts	It may be pure fantasy with regard to the Speer connection, but it is a top quality superb example of a custom gun with master level engraving. Did you notice the full length rib on the barrel? That is no hack job. Somebody sometime put some extensive work into creating this piece. If I was rich and had no reservation about spending money, I would buy it in a heartbeat. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-16-2016, 02:22 AM	#10
Zorba User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Merritt Island, Fl Posts: 952 Thanks: 777 Thanked 528 Times in 290 Posts	Nice piece. I guess they had to put Speer's name on it since my Luger belonged to one A. Hitler!

02-16-2016, 10:39 AM	#12
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 245 Thanks: 1,433 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	It could have been made for Speer, but it was never given to him and he never fired it. Oh, and he never knew about it...

02-16-2016, 11:09 AM	#13
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Its better off without the association~

02-16-2016, 02:49 PM	#16
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,308 Thanks: 2,737 Thanked 993 Times in 729 Posts	It is a beautiful Luger...Speer or no Speer. That engraving was done by a master engraver, and the whole package is excellent in my eyes. I know some folks don't care for engraved guns, but if they are done correctly, they really appeal to me. This one is way out of my league price wise!!

02-16-2016, 02:54 PM	#17
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Beware of engraved lugers~~ http://www.leibnitz-online.de/resour...17.09.04-1.pdf

02-17-2016, 11:45 AM	#20
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Auctions are prohibited on the for sale section.. This is the "for sale" part of the Forum. NOT an "alert to any auction on Planet Earth section" It is meant for the use of our Members who have items they would like to offer to other Members. It is REQUIRED by our rules to have a set price. It IS NOT an auction. Your post violates all of these precepts. Please read the FORUM RULES you agreed to abide by. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."