Shooter G date Mauser

DonVoigt · 04-25-2015, 12:34 AM

Since I didn't have a "shooter", I figured I should have one to save breaking something on a matching gun- as recommended in most every matching P 08 post.

This Luger is made from parts of four pistols as best I can tell.
The finish is pretty nice and the grips are great.

Receiver and bbl are original G date Mauser and match each other;the lower is matching to itself even the grips, and is # 1013g-perhaps someone can id the mfg for me; The toggle train is Mauser S/42 #72; and the decent no number side plate is from a police modified Luger as it has the cut out on top, only a "T" stamped inside.

The unmarked side plate will soon migrate to my 1917 artillery, and the repro side plate will come to this shooter; assuming both work well when changed.

Haven't shot it yet, but that is on the schedule for Monday.

Comments and info welcome.

DonVoigt · 04-25-2015, 12:39 AM

More shooter pictures:

The magazine is an un-numbered Erfurt magazine, that has already taken up residence in the 1917 Artillery with the non matching mag.

rhuff · 04-25-2015, 08:24 PM

Shooter Lugers are a wonderful thing to own. I am a shooter and can take my shooters to the range with no concern or worry concerning broken parts. That looks like a nice condition shooter.

Sergio Natali · 04-26-2015, 06:06 AM

Congratulations on your particularly nice "shooter"
Nice pictures too.

Sergio

Geo99 · 05-15-2015, 01:35 AM

Nice shooter - if you ever decide to sell it the individual parts are probably worth far more than the pistol together, since they all appear to have original finish (except for that weird sideplate).

- Geo

kurusu · 05-15-2015, 04:56 AM

Does it shoot? Most "shooters" can be quite an headache.

DonVoigt · 05-15-2015, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurusu

Does it shoot? Most "shooters" can be quite an headache.

I guess you missed the other thread that is connected to the actual shooting of this "G date Shooter".

Short story is yes it does shoot and very well, given the proper ammo and magazine.

Yes, you are absolutely correct, shooter lugers can be a real
head ache.

The first luger I owned, over 50 years ago, was an Erfurt-
wouldn't shoot and feed, I owned it less than a day- and didn't buy another luger for some 35 years!

Here is the thread link to the actual shooting story:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=34250

Sergio Natali · 05-15-2015, 10:26 AM

Don

With all the respect, that might be "only" a shooter, but to me it's still quite a nice "G" Luger! Mauser after all made only about 55K of them and surely not many survived in 100% unmolested conditions.

Sergio

kurusu · 05-15-2015, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonVoigt

I guess you missed the other thread that is connected to the actual shooting of this "G date Shooter".

Here is the thread link to the actual shooting story:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=34250

Not only I read it I even posted on it.

mrerick · 05-15-2015, 11:39 AM

From the typeface of the serial number digits on your Luger's frame, I think you have a 1935 (G) or 1936 or very early 1937 Mauser frame.

You can pick up some clues by looking at the milling pattern at the rear top of the frame. It's discussed in this article:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=rear+frame

Also, the internal factory inspection marks may help identify manufacture.

Probably made from three guns. The frame, the receiver/barrel and the toggle train.

It looks like you have a nice shooter. Was there some grinding done on the frame near the trigger plate surface? You may find some issues when trying to replace this, as these areas were hand fitted at the factory, and must have been hand fitted when your pistol was assembled.

Marc

DonVoigt · 05-15-2015, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrerick

From the typeface of the serial number digits on your Luger's frame, I think you have a 1935 (G) or 1936 or very early 1937 Mauser frame.

You can pick up some clues by looking at the milling pattern at the rear top of the frame. It's discussed in this article:

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=rear+frame

Also, the internal factory inspection marks may help identify manufacture.

Probably made from three guns. The frame, the receiver/barrel and the toggle train.

It looks like you have a nice shooter. Was there some grinding done on the frame near the trigger plate surface? You may find some issues when trying to replace this, as these areas were hand fitted at the factory, and must have been hand fitted when your pistol was assembled.

Marc

Thanks for your careful observation and comments, much appreciated as it helps us learn.

I did reach the same conclusions in studying the pistol, though I'm sure it took me hours longer than it did you.

I said 1937 lower because of the suffix and it is still strawed..

Definitely 3 pistols in one, and add in the repro side plate.

The sideplate fit with just a little adjustment and the trigger is good, so there must not have been much frame modification to this one. I doubt is will change the side plate, it works and there is nothing much to be gained, unless I stumbled into a salt blue
numbered 13.

I'll have to look at the frame milling reference, thanks.

This is the only Mauser P 08 I have, but would like to know more about the inside frame markings you mention.

mrerick · 05-15-2015, 05:53 PM

As Lugers were manufactured, there were major stopping points in the process where parts were inspected and improved by internal factory inspectors. This was usually done by observation and through the use of gauges.

The inspectors at DWM used markings that are different than you encounter with the people that worked at Mauser later. You can sometimes determine where a part or assembly was made by looking at these marks. The numeric digit dies are also different.

Toward the end of Mauser production, instead of using their own personal die to mark parts, a more generic "Werkes-Revision" intertwined WR die was used.

Marc

james haven · 05-16-2015, 01:17 AM

would a "g"date have a droop eagle 63 on the barrel? just curious[i can't spell. jim

Sergio Natali · 05-16-2015, 04:49 AM

....

Definitely 3 pistols in one, and add in the repro side plate.

The sideplate fit with just a little adjustment and the trigger is good, so there must not have been much frame modification to this one. I doubt is will change the side plate, it works and there is nothing much to be gained, unless I stumbled into a salt blue
numbered 13...

A I said you've got a nice Luger after all, and with of patience is not impossible o find a correct sideplate.
Regards.

Sergio

DonVoigt · 05-18-2015, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james haven

would a "g"date have a droop eagle 63 on the barrel? just curious[i can't spell. jim

As you can see, this one does; bbl and extension match.
In original finish with "ghosts" on the bbl numbers.

04-25-2015, 12:34 AM	#1
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	Shooter G date Mauser Since I didn't have a "shooter", I figured I should have one to save breaking something on a matching gun- as recommended in most every matching P 08 post. This Luger is made from parts of four pistols as best I can tell. The finish is pretty nice and the grips are great. Receiver and bbl are original G date Mauser and match each other;the lower is matching to itself even the grips, and is # 1013g-perhaps someone can id the mfg for me; The toggle train is Mauser S/42 #72; and the decent no number side plate is from a police modified Luger as it has the cut out on top, only a "T" stamped inside. The unmarked side plate will soon migrate to my 1917 artillery, and the repro side plate will come to this shooter; assuming both work well when changed. Haven't shot it yet, but that is on the schedule for Monday. Comments and info welcome. Attached Thumbnails

04-25-2015, 12:39 AM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,350 Times in 2,040 Posts	More pictures for G date above More shooter pictures: The magazine is an un-numbered Erfurt magazine, that has already taken up residence in the 1917 Artillery with the non matching mag. Attached Thumbnails

04-26-2015, 06:06 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Congratulations on your particularly nice "shooter" Nice pictures too. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

05-15-2015, 01:35 AM	#5
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 398 Thanks: 102 Thanked 125 Times in 74 Posts	Nice shooter - if you ever decide to sell it the individual parts are probably worth far more than the pistol together, since they all appear to have original finish (except for that weird sideplate). - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

05-15-2015, 10:26 AM	#8
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Don With all the respect, that might be "only" a shooter, but to me it's still quite a nice "G" Luger! Mauser after all made only about 55K of them and surely not many survived in 100% unmolested conditions. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

04-25-2015, 08:24 PM	#3
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,291 Thanks: 2,709 Thanked 972 Times in 717 Posts	Shooter Lugers are a wonderful thing to own. I am a shooter and can take my shooters to the range with no concern or worry concerning broken parts. That looks like a nice condition shooter.

05-15-2015, 04:56 AM	#6
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 930 Times in 509 Posts	Does it shoot? Most "shooters" can be quite an headache.

05-15-2015, 11:39 AM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	From the typeface of the serial number digits on your Luger's frame, I think you have a 1935 (G) or 1936 or very early 1937 Mauser frame. You can pick up some clues by looking at the milling pattern at the rear top of the frame. It's discussed in this article: http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...ght=rear+frame Also, the internal factory inspection marks may help identify manufacture. Probably made from three guns. The frame, the receiver/barrel and the toggle train. It looks like you have a nice shooter. Was there some grinding done on the frame near the trigger plate surface? You may find some issues when trying to replace this, as these areas were hand fitted at the factory, and must have been hand fitted when your pistol was assembled. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-15-2015, 05:53 PM	#12
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,909 Thanks: 1,374 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,510 Posts	As Lugers were manufactured, there were major stopping points in the process where parts were inspected and improved by internal factory inspectors. This was usually done by observation and through the use of gauges. The inspectors at DWM used markings that are different than you encounter with the people that worked at Mauser later. You can sometimes determine where a part or assembly was made by looking at these marks. The numeric digit dies are also different. Toward the end of Mauser production, instead of using their own personal die to mark parts, a more generic "Werkes-Revision" intertwined WR die was used. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

05-16-2015, 01:17 AM	#13
james haven User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: washington state Posts: 13 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	would a "g"date have a droop eagle 63 on the barrel? just curious[i can't spell. jim

05-16-2015, 04:49 AM	#14
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	.... Definitely 3 pistols in one, and add in the repro side plate. The sideplate fit with just a little adjustment and the trigger is good, so there must not have been much frame modification to this one. I doubt is will change the side plate, it works and there is nothing much to be gained, unless I stumbled into a salt blue numbered 13... A I said you've got a nice Luger after all, and with of patience is not impossible o find a correct sideplate. Regards. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.