C. Whittaker's Article...

Pete Ebbink · 11-14-2004, 12:31 PM

http://www.landofborchardt.com/

If you go to the top of C. Whittaker's web site, there is a hot link for "Luger Literature"...then click on the link for "Articles".

One article, titled "1903 Experimental Toggle Link Assembly" is quite fascinating...

It deals with a "reversed" toggle design...

mauro · 11-14-2004, 03:07 PM

Thank you Pete.
Very interesting.

Vlim · 11-15-2004, 02:07 PM

Hi,

Interesting. Also interesting that no surviving European version of this same patent has been located (yet?)....

It seems Georg was trying to get rid of the Luger 'ears' in order to prepare the toggle mechanism for his rifle design.

John Sabato · 11-15-2004, 02:58 PM

I get a server error when trying this link... right now the luger literature page says no current articles???

Pete Ebbink · 11-15-2004, 07:59 PM

Tried it again...works fine from here...

Karl · 11-15-2004, 09:35 PM

I find this design ergonomically inferior to the standard toggle. Think about it: As you pull back the standard toggle it naturally rolls back (clockwise from left) with the fingers. With the toggle as part of the forward link this does not occur, in fact the opposite rotation occurs, and one would be inclined to pull up rather than back: This is certainly possible but much more awkward, especially with an early luger where an initial the backward pull is necessary to clear the toggle lock.

I am hardly an expert but my initial response to this patent is that it was intended to foil similar copycat designs on the toggle mechanism.
KFS

11-14-2004, 12:31 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	C. Whittaker's Article... http://www.landofborchardt.com/ If you go to the top of C. Whittaker's web site, there is a hot link for "Luger Literature"...then click on the link for "Articles". One article, titled "1903 Experimental Toggle Link Assembly" is quite fascinating... It deals with a "reversed" toggle design...

11-14-2004, 03:07 PM	#2
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Thank you Pete. Very interesting. __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

11-15-2004, 02:58 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I get a server error when trying this link... right now the luger literature page says no current articles??? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-15-2004, 02:07 PM	#3
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,049 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,954 Times in 1,200 Posts	Hi, Interesting. Also interesting that no surviving European version of this same patent has been located (yet?).... It seems Georg was trying to get rid of the Luger 'ears' in order to prepare the toggle mechanism for his rifle design.

11-15-2004, 07:59 PM	#5
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Tried it again...works fine from here...

11-15-2004, 09:35 PM	#6
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 515 Thanks: 0 Thanked 252 Times in 112 Posts	I find this design ergonomically inferior to the standard toggle. Think about it: As you pull back the standard toggle it naturally rolls back (clockwise from left) with the fingers. With the toggle as part of the forward link this does not occur, in fact the opposite rotation occurs, and one would be inclined to pull up rather than back: This is certainly possible but much more awkward, especially with an early luger where an initial the backward pull is necessary to clear the toggle lock. I am hardly an expert but my initial response to this patent is that it was intended to foil similar copycat designs on the toggle mechanism. KFS