Type 1 AK-47 AKS

Maestro · 01-11-2015, 12:58 AM

anyone familiar with type 1 AK-47... i got stung by AK bug today when I ran into a fellow at my FFL's shop that collects Russian AKs.. So now I'm looking for the AKS style late 40's AK. any advice or recommendations would be appreciated, Darius

Sergio Natali · 01-11-2015, 11:24 AM

Dear Darius

I'm far from being an expert on AK47 I owned only one on them, I did some "practice" on it then I decided that it wasn't my sort of gun so I sold it to a friend.

I'm aware that apparently when the Navy Seals wanted to add an AK to their arsenal tested all sorts of AK's and if I'm not wrong they chose the Chinese Norinco Type 56.

Still if I had to give an advice to a friend, I would suggest him to look for an ex DDR one first, as they seem to have less tolerances and are better machined than the average Russian or Polish AK47

Segio

alanint · 01-11-2015, 12:41 PM

The "Real" type 1 AK is non-existent. It was a pressed steel receiver gun that was only made for a very short time. The second issue, which most folks confuse as the "Oldest" AK, has a milled receiver and screwed in, rather than pressed and pinned barrel.

Complete, factory semi-auto Russian AKs have never made it to these shores. Only Russian parts that were assembled into rifles here. The only Russian Post WW2 semi-auto rifle to ever be offered here is the SKS design. Companies like Century International, K-Var and others make AK clones. There are also milled receiver guns available out there.
Impact guns has a typical selection:

http://www.impactguns.com/ak47-rifles.aspx

That being said, what exactly are you looking for?

Maestro · 01-11-2015, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

The "Real" type 1 AK is non-existent. It was a pressed steel receiver gun that was only made for a very short time. The second issue, which most folks confuse as the "Oldest" AK, has a milled receiver and screwed in, rather than pressed and pinned barrel.

Complete, factory semi-auto Russian AKs have never made it to these shores. Only Russian parts that were assembled into rifles here. The only Russian Post WW2 semi-auto rifle to ever be offered here is the SKS design. Companies like Century International, K-Var and others make AK clones. There are also milled receiver guns available out there.
Impact guns has a typical selection:

http://www.impactguns.com/ak47-rifles.aspx

That being said, what exactly are you looking for?

AK that has investment potential, but will not rob the back!! I've been looking at Poly Tech AKS-762. I'm now looking at Chinese Norinco Type 56 per Sergio's recommendation. It's just I've not been a fan of Chinese firearms, but if that's the best of the worst!! then I guess it has investment potential.

alanint · 01-11-2015, 08:03 PM

The Yugoslav and Romanian made guns are just as good as a Polytech and are more readily available these days.

The Yugoslav guns include grenade launchers, locked top covers, night sights and other extras that are not found on the Chinese guns.

nukem556 · 01-11-2015, 08:23 PM

The Poly-Tech Legend series was sold in the late 80s early 90s here...milled receiver, dark wood, flat muzzle ring....probably the best quality "classic style" AK-47. I bought one new for 395.00, sold it a couple years ago for 1200.00 and now new ones still in box bring 2K !!

alvin · 01-11-2015, 08:40 PM

Once a guy wanted to sell me a NIB Norinco made Type 56-1, asking $1000, but later drop to $850. I was stupid enough skipping it. I bet that rifle is now over $2k.

DavidJayUden · 01-11-2015, 09:25 PM

I'd not beat yourselves up over the one that got away. Right now prices are very attractive and unfortunately politics will eventually take them out of sight, relatively speaking.
Buy now, Young Man...
dju

Sergio Natali · 01-12-2015, 03:32 AM

Darius

Can't you find ex DDR ones in the States?
As far as I know there are two variations, one with plastic and another one with wooden parts.
Might be even better than a Russian or Chinese AK.
I don't like plastic stocks, still their triggers seem particularly good.

Sergio

alanint · 01-12-2015, 04:54 AM

K-Var makes clones of most of the latest AK models, using some ex-DDR parts.

They are pricier than most of the other offerings and 5.56x39mm is not as cheap as it used to be.

DavidJayUden · 01-12-2015, 08:27 AM

5.45x39?

alanint · 01-12-2015, 08:56 AM

Yes, typo offf the phone.

Sergio Natali · 01-12-2015, 10:32 AM

AK47 7,62X39
AK74 5,45X39

Sergio

alvin · 01-12-2015, 10:55 PM

When firing 5.45x39, ear protection is a must. My hearing was partially damaged by firing it without ear protection.

Sergio Natali · 01-13-2015, 03:30 AM

You're right Alvin, eas protections, preferably muffs, should always be worn at the range.

Sergio

Maestro · 01-14-2015, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556

The Poly-Tech Legend series was sold in the late 80s early 90s here...milled receiver, dark wood, flat muzzle ring....probably the best quality "classic style" AK-47. I bought one new for 395.00, sold it a couple years ago for 1200.00 and now new ones still in box bring 2K !!

couple just sold on gunbroker, brand new Poly-tech in box (pre-ban) for $2200, and AKS model for $2600

Maestro · 01-14-2015, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden

I'd not beat yourselves up over the one that got away. Right now prices are very attractive and unfortunately politics will eventually take them out of sight, relatively speaking.
Buy now, Young Man...
dju

i believe you're right about the politics.. specially here in California

Lyn Islaub · 01-14-2015, 09:55 PM

I didn't want to pay the Polytech price, or the price for a milled receiver Bulgarian, so I bought a stamped receiver Romanian WASR 10 with an expanded mag well. I put a chromed gas piston and a two stage Red Star Arms trigger group in it and it turned out to be a reasonably accurate shooter. 7.62X39 was also pretty cheap 3-4 years ago, so I stocked up 3,000 rounds and it's been happy shooting since. The Romanian guns are pretty well put together and have a chromed bore.

nukem556 · 01-14-2015, 10:57 PM

Wish I'd kept the Poly-Tech Legend, but I needed the money to put on a full auto Vector Arms Uzi submachine gun....I paid 2600.00 for the thing in 2001, and a dealer offered me 12K for it last week. By my calculations, if I had liquidated my 401k in 2001 and spent it all on Uzis, my house would be paid off and I could have bought a Porsche Cayman....sigh.

rhuff · 01-15-2015, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556

Wish I'd kept the Poly-Tech Legend, but I needed the money to put on a full auto Vector Arms Uzi submachine gun....I paid 2600.00 for the thing in 2001, and a dealer offered me 12K for it last week. By my calculations, if I had liquidated my 401k in 2001 and spent it all on Uzis, my house would be paid off and I could have bought a Porsche Cayman....sigh.

I, also, purchased one in 2000-2001 for that price. I even purchased the extra two conversions(.22cal, 45ACP) for it plus a 72 round drum. I don't usually make smart purchases, because I purchase what I want, rather than what it might be worth in the future. As you say, we hit a home run on these purchases.

01-11-2015, 12:58 AM	#1
Maestro User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: "Where the streets have no names" Posts: 504 Thanks: 192 Thanked 200 Times in 136 Posts	Type 1 AK-47 AKS anyone familiar with type 1 AK-47... i got stung by AK bug today when I ran into a fellow at my FFL's shop that collects Russian AKs.. So now I'm looking for the AKS style late 40's AK. any advice or recommendations would be appreciated, Darius

01-11-2015, 11:24 AM	#2
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Dear Darius I'm far from being an expert on AK47 I owned only one on them, I did some "practice" on it then I decided that it wasn't my sort of gun so I sold it to a friend. I'm aware that apparently when the Navy Seals wanted to add an AK to their arsenal tested all sorts of AK's and if I'm not wrong they chose the Chinese Norinco Type 56. Still if I had to give an advice to a friend, I would suggest him to look for an ex DDR one first, as they seem to have less tolerances and are better machined than the average Russian or Polish AK47 Segio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-12-2015, 03:32 AM	#9
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Darius Can't you find ex DDR ones in the States? As far as I know there are two variations, one with plastic and another one with wooden parts. Might be even better than a Russian or Chinese AK. I don't like plastic stocks, still their triggers seem particularly good. Sergio Attached Thumbnails __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-12-2015, 10:32 AM	#13
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	AK47 7,62X39 AK74 5,45X39 Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-13-2015, 03:30 AM	#15
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	You're right Alvin, eas protections, preferably muffs, should always be worn at the range. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-11-2015, 12:41 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The "Real" type 1 AK is non-existent. It was a pressed steel receiver gun that was only made for a very short time. The second issue, which most folks confuse as the "Oldest" AK, has a milled receiver and screwed in, rather than pressed and pinned barrel. Complete, factory semi-auto Russian AKs have never made it to these shores. Only Russian parts that were assembled into rifles here. The only Russian Post WW2 semi-auto rifle to ever be offered here is the SKS design. Companies like Century International, K-Var and others make AK clones. There are also milled receiver guns available out there. Impact guns has a typical selection: http://www.impactguns.com/ak47-rifles.aspx That being said, what exactly are you looking for?

01-11-2015, 08:03 PM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The Yugoslav and Romanian made guns are just as good as a Polytech and are more readily available these days. The Yugoslav guns include grenade launchers, locked top covers, night sights and other extras that are not found on the Chinese guns.

01-11-2015, 08:23 PM	#6
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	The Poly-Tech Legend series was sold in the late 80s early 90s here...milled receiver, dark wood, flat muzzle ring....probably the best quality "classic style" AK-47. I bought one new for 395.00, sold it a couple years ago for 1200.00 and now new ones still in box bring 2K !!

01-11-2015, 08:40 PM	#7
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Once a guy wanted to sell me a NIB Norinco made Type 56-1, asking $1000, but later drop to $850. I was stupid enough skipping it. I bet that rifle is now over $2k.

01-11-2015, 09:25 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I'd not beat yourselves up over the one that got away. Right now prices are very attractive and unfortunately politics will eventually take them out of sight, relatively speaking. Buy now, Young Man... dju

01-12-2015, 04:54 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	K-Var makes clones of most of the latest AK models, using some ex-DDR parts. They are pricier than most of the other offerings and 5.56x39mm is not as cheap as it used to be.

01-12-2015, 08:27 AM	#11
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	5.45x39?

01-12-2015, 08:56 AM	#12
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Yes, typo offf the phone.

01-12-2015, 10:55 PM	#14
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	When firing 5.45x39, ear protection is a must. My hearing was partially damaged by firing it without ear protection.

01-14-2015, 09:55 PM	#18
Lyn Islaub Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 435 Thanks: 3 Thanked 152 Times in 72 Posts	I didn't want to pay the Polytech price, or the price for a milled receiver Bulgarian, so I bought a stamped receiver Romanian WASR 10 with an expanded mag well. I put a chromed gas piston and a two stage Red Star Arms trigger group in it and it turned out to be a reasonably accurate shooter. 7.62X39 was also pretty cheap 3-4 years ago, so I stocked up 3,000 rounds and it's been happy shooting since. The Romanian guns are pretty well put together and have a chromed bore.

01-14-2015, 10:57 PM	#19
nukem556 User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Irmo, SC Posts: 625 Thanks: 35 Thanked 168 Times in 107 Posts	Wish I'd kept the Poly-Tech Legend, but I needed the money to put on a full auto Vector Arms Uzi submachine gun....I paid 2600.00 for the thing in 2001, and a dealer offered me 12K for it last week. By my calculations, if I had liquidated my 401k in 2001 and spent it all on Uzis, my house would be paid off and I could have bought a Porsche Cayman....sigh.