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Maestro 01-11-2015 12:58 AM

Type 1 AK-47 AKS
 
anyone familiar with type 1 AK-47... i got stung by AK bug today when I ran into a fellow at my FFL's shop that collects Russian AKs.. So now I'm looking for the AKS style late 40's AK. any advice or recommendations would be appreciated, Darius :cheers:

Sergio Natali 01-11-2015 11:24 AM

Dear Darius

I'm far from being an expert on AK47 I owned only one on them, I did some "practice" on it then I decided that it wasn't my sort of gun so I sold it to a friend.

I'm aware that apparently when the Navy Seals wanted to add an AK to their arsenal tested all sorts of AK's and if I'm not wrong they chose the Chinese Norinco Type 56.

Still if I had to give an advice to a friend, I would suggest him to look for an ex DDR one first, as they seem to have less tolerances and are better machined than the average Russian or Polish AK47

Segio

alanint 01-11-2015 12:41 PM

The "Real" type 1 AK is non-existent. It was a pressed steel receiver gun that was only made for a very short time. The second issue, which most folks confuse as the "Oldest" AK, has a milled receiver and screwed in, rather than pressed and pinned barrel.

Complete, factory semi-auto Russian AKs have never made it to these shores. Only Russian parts that were assembled into rifles here. The only Russian Post WW2 semi-auto rifle to ever be offered here is the SKS design. Companies like Century International, K-Var and others make AK clones. There are also milled receiver guns available out there.
Impact guns has a typical selection:

http://www.impactguns.com/ak47-rifles.aspx

That being said, what exactly are you looking for?

Maestro 01-11-2015 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint (Post 265639)
The "Real" type 1 AK is non-existent. It was a pressed steel receiver gun that was only made for a very short time. The second issue, which most folks confuse as the "Oldest" AK, has a milled receiver and screwed in, rather than pressed and pinned barrel.

Complete, factory semi-auto Russian AKs have never made it to these shores. Only Russian parts that were assembled into rifles here. The only Russian Post WW2 semi-auto rifle to ever be offered here is the SKS design. Companies like Century International, K-Var and others make AK clones. There are also milled receiver guns available out there.
Impact guns has a typical selection:

http://www.impactguns.com/ak47-rifles.aspx



That being said, what exactly are you looking for?

AK that has investment potential, but will not rob the back!! I've been looking at Poly Tech AKS-762. I'm now looking at Chinese Norinco Type 56 per Sergio's recommendation. It's just I've not been a fan of Chinese firearms, but if that's the best of the worst!! then I guess it has investment potential.

alanint 01-11-2015 08:03 PM

The Yugoslav and Romanian made guns are just as good as a Polytech and are more readily available these days.

The Yugoslav guns include grenade launchers, locked top covers, night sights and other extras that are not found on the Chinese guns.

nukem556 01-11-2015 08:23 PM

The Poly-Tech Legend series was sold in the late 80s early 90s here...milled receiver, dark wood, flat muzzle ring....probably the best quality "classic style" AK-47. I bought one new for 395.00, sold it a couple years ago for 1200.00 and now new ones still in box bring 2K !!

alvin 01-11-2015 08:40 PM

Once a guy wanted to sell me a NIB Norinco made Type 56-1, asking $1000, but later drop to $850. I was stupid enough skipping it. I bet that rifle is now over $2k.

DavidJayUden 01-11-2015 09:25 PM

I'd not beat yourselves up over the one that got away. Right now prices are very attractive and unfortunately politics will eventually take them out of sight, relatively speaking.
Buy now, Young Man...
dju

Sergio Natali 01-12-2015 03:32 AM

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Darius

Can't you find ex DDR ones in the States?
As far as I know there are two variations, one with plastic and another one with wooden parts.
Might be even better than a Russian or Chinese AK.

I don't like plastic stocks, still their triggers seem particularly good.

Sergio

alanint 01-12-2015 04:54 AM

K-Var makes clones of most of the latest AK models, using some ex-DDR parts.

They are pricier than most of the other offerings and 5.56x39mm is not as cheap as it used to be.

DavidJayUden 01-12-2015 08:27 AM

5.45x39?

alanint 01-12-2015 08:56 AM

Yes, typo offf the phone.

Sergio Natali 01-12-2015 10:32 AM

AK47 7,62X39
AK74 5,45X39

Sergio

alvin 01-12-2015 10:55 PM

When firing 5.45x39, ear protection is a must. My hearing was partially damaged by firing it without ear protection.

Sergio Natali 01-13-2015 03:30 AM

You're right Alvin, eas protections, preferably muffs, should always be worn at the range.

Sergio

Maestro 01-14-2015 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556 (Post 265666)
The Poly-Tech Legend series was sold in the late 80s early 90s here...milled receiver, dark wood, flat muzzle ring....probably the best quality "classic style" AK-47. I bought one new for 395.00, sold it a couple years ago for 1200.00 and now new ones still in box bring 2K !!

couple just sold on gunbroker, brand new Poly-tech in box (pre-ban) for $2200, and AKS model for $2600 :eek:

Maestro 01-14-2015 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavidJayUden (Post 265672)
I'd not beat yourselves up over the one that got away. Right now prices are very attractive and unfortunately politics will eventually take them out of sight, relatively speaking.
Buy now, Young Man...
dju

i believe you're right about the politics.. specially here in California :soapbox:

Lyn Islaub 01-14-2015 09:55 PM

I didn't want to pay the Polytech price, or the price for a milled receiver Bulgarian, so I bought a stamped receiver Romanian WASR 10 with an expanded mag well. I put a chromed gas piston and a two stage Red Star Arms trigger group in it and it turned out to be a reasonably accurate shooter. 7.62X39 was also pretty cheap 3-4 years ago, so I stocked up 3,000 rounds and it's been happy shooting since. The Romanian guns are pretty well put together and have a chromed bore.

nukem556 01-14-2015 10:57 PM

Wish I'd kept the Poly-Tech Legend, but I needed the money to put on a full auto Vector Arms Uzi submachine gun....I paid 2600.00 for the thing in 2001, and a dealer offered me 12K for it last week. By my calculations, if I had liquidated my 401k in 2001 and spent it all on Uzis, my house would be paid off and I could have bought a Porsche Cayman....sigh.

rhuff 01-15-2015 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nukem556 (Post 265907)
Wish I'd kept the Poly-Tech Legend, but I needed the money to put on a full auto Vector Arms Uzi submachine gun....I paid 2600.00 for the thing in 2001, and a dealer offered me 12K for it last week. By my calculations, if I had liquidated my 401k in 2001 and spent it all on Uzis, my house would be paid off and I could have bought a Porsche Cayman....sigh.



I, also, purchased one in 2000-2001 for that price. I even purchased the extra two conversions(.22cal, 45ACP) for it plus a 72 round drum. I don't usually make smart purchases, because I purchase what I want, rather than what it might be worth in the future. As you say, we hit a home run on these purchases.


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