Questions On an Auction - Page 2

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 04:46 PM

Jeremy, the hard part will come later if you decide to sell. Under the law you must disclose any issue with the gun. Everytime you pick it up some where in the back of the brain is the fact it is not a 100% right. There are plenty of right guns out there. I purchase all of mine from a dear friend, a member and luger guru. I pay a set amount each month until my purchase is complete. You will always know it is legit and can be returned. I would never trust anyone useing a religious icon to provide some credence or validity to a firearm! A bad luger is like an exwife, easy to get, very hard to get rid of no matter how good they look on the outside. I know I'm on my third! I'm content with Debbby and all my lugers. Whatever your decision you are always a friend. Stop by anytime or sent private mail to any member. Eric

alvin · 12-06-2014, 04:59 PM

Still watch its book value. Market is timing, book value is systemic.

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But, lots of credit has been given to pre-WWI guns in book. Maybe that's the reason many collectors now go to WWII? Or, WWII is closer to current generation? God knows. The BB value of this one is not high. But it currently sitting close to BB, and there is still one more day.

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 05:29 PM

I sent him a private message on Gunbroker. He has close to 40 handgun and only one luger, your. Also close to 1500 approvals. There is a good possibility he has no idea!!! I'll let us know his responce!!PS I just noticed the toggle was blued is that right as none of mine are?

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 05:59 PM

Jim got back to me> He indicated he really did not know! Thats why you have 3 days to return it! He said he too is a member. Heck take a chance if the bidding doesn't get crazy, Its nice no matter what! Eric

CAP Black · 12-06-2014, 06:06 PM

Eric:
You say that about lawyers???
Jack

alvin · 12-06-2014, 06:07 PM

Failed to get the pair of parabellums today. They went too high to reach.

DavidJayUden · 12-06-2014, 06:13 PM

I just noticed the toggle was blued is that right as none of mine are?
Eric:
Are you referring to the toggle pin? If so, on the later salt blued guns, such as this, yes the pin got blued too. On the older rust blued guns the toggle pin should still be "in the white".
Also regarding the plum coloring, I'm not exactly clear the years or the cause, but that was very common right around 1940 and 1941, so that alone would not scare me off on an otherwise honest gun.
dju

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 06:16 PM

Jack my post stroke brain fart. Its the thumb safety lever!! Sorry! I had wondered about the pin as all my early ones a plain~~Do you know why the were left bare~All mine were 1908 and earlier~ Thank for the correction!

Mike Z · 12-06-2014, 06:59 PM

I don't like it. As already pointed out the fit of the grip, I see fire blue too. I've never seen fire blue on a byf. The ejector looks wrong. The color looks weird
Just my opinion
Mike Z.

lugercollector · 12-06-2014, 07:14 PM

Muzzle crown should be in the white and toggle pin should not be all blue.....some pitting under re-bluing evident......

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 07:14 PM

Mike your right. Just to many issues for his first luger~ When the seller himself is not sure that should be flag!!

alvin · 12-06-2014, 07:21 PM

I believe that toggle pin should be fire blue. Also, the muzzle should be blue on this one.

Nowadays, collectors like photographing, posting a few hundred pictures on a single gun. See the following byf 42, which is in regularly excellent byf shape, then, it's more believable. Near mint byf is much rarer than regularly excellent ones.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=456844403

DavidJayUden · 12-06-2014, 10:41 PM

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=456844403

Now that's one well photographed P08! Very nice, very honest, and very expensive.
dju

tke466 · 12-06-2014, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

Jeremy, the hard part will come later if you decide to sell. Under the law you must disclose any issue with the gun. Everytime you pick it up some where in the back of the brain is the fact it is not a 100% right. There are plenty of right guns out there. I purchase all of mine from a dear friend, a member and luger guru. I pay a set amount each month until my purchase is complete. You will always know it is legit and can be returned. I would never trust anyone useing a religious icon to provide some credence or validity to a firearm! A bad luger is like an exwife, easy to get, very hard to get rid of no matter how good they look on the outside. I know I'm on my third! I'm content with Debbby and all my lugers. Whatever your decision you are always a friend. Stop by anytime or sent private mail to any member. Eric

I'm with you. I have no problem passing on a piece if I don't feel it's right. I'm not a gambling man. And the high quality pieces that I have acquired come from well known entities. Thanks for the hospitality.

Jeremy

cirelaw · 12-06-2014, 11:03 PM

Good for you! I praise you decision to ask before you buy. You have access to the actual experts in the field. Some have even published several books on every luger subject. This Forum of which I've been a member for over ten years has provided me first hand irreplacable knowlege on my favorite handgun. No one knows everything however we all posess first hand experiance in all types and years. Read everything on the subject from the wonderful books to subjects contained in some valuable posts! Your patience my have prevented a bad experiece for your first. You never will forget your first! Happy Lugering, From your new friends! Eric

alvin · 12-07-2014, 09:32 PM

$3001.

Mike Z · 12-08-2014, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

$3001.

crazy

alvin · 12-08-2014, 09:08 AM

Gun vs gun, German vs German... My 1901 flatside C96 only sold $3500, much rarer than this, and BB value much higher than byf. Although it's not exactly apple vs apple, they are not totally irrelevant.

DavidJayUden · 12-08-2014, 10:03 AM

Obviously rare does not equal valuable.
It would be interesting to have a dialog with the buyer who spent $3k on that Luger.
dju

12-06-2014, 04:46 PM	#21
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Jeremy, the hard part will come later if you decide to sell. Under the law you must disclose any issue with the gun. Everytime you pick it up some where in the back of the brain is the fact it is not a 100% right. There are plenty of right guns out there. I purchase all of mine from a dear friend, a member and luger guru. I pay a set amount each month until my purchase is complete. You will always know it is legit and can be returned. I would never trust anyone useing a religious icon to provide some credence or validity to a firearm! A bad luger is like an exwife, easy to get, very hard to get rid of no matter how good they look on the outside. I know I'm on my third! I'm content with Debbby and all my lugers. Whatever your decision you are always a friend. Stop by anytime or sent private mail to any member. Eric

12-06-2014, 04:59 PM	#22
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Still watch its book value. Market is timing, book value is systemic. ==== But, lots of credit has been given to pre-WWI guns in book. Maybe that's the reason many collectors now go to WWII? Or, WWII is closer to current generation? God knows. The BB value of this one is not high. But it currently sitting close to BB, and there is still one more day.

12-06-2014, 05:29 PM	#23
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	I sent him a private message on Gunbroker. He has close to 40 handgun and only one luger, your. Also close to 1500 approvals. There is a good possibility he has no idea!!! I'll let us know his responce!!PS I just noticed the toggle was blued is that right as none of mine are?

12-06-2014, 05:59 PM	#24
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Jim got back to me> He indicated he really did not know! Thats why you have 3 days to return it! He said he too is a member. Heck take a chance if the bidding doesn't get crazy, Its nice no matter what! Eric

12-06-2014, 06:06 PM	#25
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 174 Times in 96 Posts	Eric: You say that about lawyers??? Jack

12-06-2014, 06:07 PM	#26
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Failed to get the pair of parabellums today. They went too high to reach.

12-06-2014, 06:13 PM	#27
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	I just noticed the toggle was blued is that right as none of mine are? Eric: Are you referring to the toggle pin? If so, on the later salt blued guns, such as this, yes the pin got blued too. On the older rust blued guns the toggle pin should still be "in the white". Also regarding the plum coloring, I'm not exactly clear the years or the cause, but that was very common right around 1940 and 1941, so that alone would not scare me off on an otherwise honest gun. dju

12-06-2014, 06:16 PM	#28
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Jack my post stroke brain fart. Its the thumb safety lever!! Sorry! I had wondered about the pin as all my early ones a plain~~Do you know why the were left bare~All mine were 1908 and earlier~ Thank for the correction!

12-06-2014, 06:59 PM	#29
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 181 Thanks: 54 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	I don't like it. As already pointed out the fit of the grip, I see fire blue too. I've never seen fire blue on a byf. The ejector looks wrong. The color looks weird Just my opinion Mike Z.

12-06-2014, 07:14 PM	#30
lugercollector Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: canada Posts: 322 Thanks: 0 Thanked 25 Times in 15 Posts	Muzzle crown should be in the white and toggle pin should not be all blue.....some pitting under re-bluing evident......

12-06-2014, 07:21 PM	#32
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	I believe that toggle pin should be fire blue. Also, the muzzle should be blue on this one. Nowadays, collectors like photographing, posting a few hundred pictures on a single gun. See the following byf 42, which is in regularly excellent byf shape, then, it's more believable. Near mint byf is much rarer than regularly excellent ones. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=456844403

12-06-2014, 10:41 PM	#33
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=456844403 Now that's one well photographed P08! Very nice, very honest, and very expensive. dju

12-06-2014, 11:03 PM	#35
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Good for you! I praise you decision to ask before you buy. You have access to the actual experts in the field. Some have even published several books on every luger subject. This Forum of which I've been a member for over ten years has provided me first hand irreplacable knowlege on my favorite handgun. No one knows everything however we all posess first hand experiance in all types and years. Read everything on the subject from the wonderful books to subjects contained in some valuable posts! Your patience my have prevented a bad experiece for your first. You never will forget your first! Happy Lugering, From your new friends! Eric

12-07-2014, 09:32 PM	#36
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	$3001.

12-08-2014, 09:08 AM	#38
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Gun vs gun, German vs German... My 1901 flatside C96 only sold $3500, much rarer than this, and BB value much higher than byf. Although it's not exactly apple vs apple, they are not totally irrelevant.

12-08-2014, 10:03 AM	#39
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Obviously rare does not equal valuable. It would be interesting to have a dialog with the buyer who spent $3k on that Luger. dju