1913 dwm

spacecoast · 11-04-2014, 04:57 PM

Would appreciate opinions on this gun for $1600. I'm in the market for a nice original unit marked WWI gun. This one's been out there for a while, bids have been right at $1400. Thanks!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=451109388

roadkill1 · 11-04-2014, 09:32 PM

Mark:

I too have been watching this for some time. The Luger looks correct to me……not so sure about the mag as the size of the numbers and the plus not only appear large but very deep. Not sure that the holster, given it condition, adds that much value. But, there is a "marked" take down tool included so the holster plus tool is clearly a plus.

The biggest "issue" with this Luger is the unit mark itself. I do believe that it is a correct/original unit mark. It is my understanding that this unit actually represents MG augmentation companies or units (my words and description) that were added to infantry regiments/divisions after 1914. Moreover, I am not aware of any documentation that allows one to determine what the parent unit affiliation was of the "100 M.G. 6." Perhaps some of our forum friends more familiar with the Imperial Army structure changes during the war can assist/clarify this point more?

I must admit to some bias at this point because I am a BIG FAN of unit marked Lugers and my attraction to them stems from the historical perspective of being able to track the type unit, its place in the Imperial Army structure and its corresponding wartime history. A unit mark of this nature, as I understand it, does not afford such an opportunity.

Again, in my opinion, a 1913 Luger in the condition that this is in should command a price higher than $1400 to $1600 and would if the unit mark was of a more "traditional type unit."

Ron

spacecoast · 11-05-2014, 07:46 AM

Ron -

Good info, thanks. I was also thinking that the unit marking is a bit unusual. The straps seem to be very clean, so it's hard to believe it ever saw any action.

Added - Wouldn't the "6" indicate the 6th gun of the unit? I was a little concerned about the different font size, unless the "100 MG" was put on at one time and the "6" added later when the gun was actually issued.

klaus 3338 · 11-05-2014, 02:00 PM

The Saxon 1. Leib Grenadier Regiment Nr. 100 has had a MG company in 1913. It was issued to the III battalion. Station was Dresden.
The sizes of the numbers seem to be correct according the stamping order. Usually was the R. (for meaning infantry- regiment) behind the number 100.
Interesting would be to see the tool.

cirelaw · 11-05-2014, 03:29 PM

A fine example. Although I own a 1913, mine is not marked~ Go for it!!! Eric

George Anderson · 11-05-2014, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cirelaw

A fine example. Although I own a 1913, mine is not marked~ Go for it!!! Eric

Eric, your 1913 DWM is unit marked.

cirelaw · 11-05-2014, 04:53 PM

George we are both correct! One I purchased years ago unmarked and one marked I purchased from you~~ I'll post the serial tommorow!! Both beautiful~~ Eric

pappers1 · 11-05-2014, 06:35 PM

I think the MG means Machine Gun unit.

cirelaw · 11-05-2014, 07:33 PM

Why were so many unmarked?

11-04-2014, 04:57 PM	#1
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	1913 dwm Would appreciate opinions on this gun for $1600. I'm in the market for a nice original unit marked WWI gun. This one's been out there for a while, bids have been right at $1400. Thanks! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=451109388

11-05-2014, 07:46 AM	#3
spacecoast User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL and PA Posts: 332 Thanks: 276 Thanked 243 Times in 109 Posts	Ron - Good info, thanks. I was also thinking that the unit marking is a bit unusual. The straps seem to be very clean, so it's hard to believe it ever saw any action. Added - Wouldn't the "6" indicate the 6th gun of the unit? I was a little concerned about the different font size, unless the "100 MG" was put on at one time and the "6" added later when the gun was actually issued. Last edited by spacecoast; 11-05-2014 at 10:18 AM.

11-04-2014, 09:32 PM	#2
roadkill1 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 127 Thanks: 166 Thanked 129 Times in 63 Posts	Mark: I too have been watching this for some time. The Luger looks correct to me……not so sure about the mag as the size of the numbers and the plus not only appear large but very deep. Not sure that the holster, given it condition, adds that much value. But, there is a "marked" take down tool included so the holster plus tool is clearly a plus. The biggest "issue" with this Luger is the unit mark itself. I do believe that it is a correct/original unit mark. It is my understanding that this unit actually represents MG augmentation companies or units (my words and description) that were added to infantry regiments/divisions after 1914. Moreover, I am not aware of any documentation that allows one to determine what the parent unit affiliation was of the "100 M.G. 6." Perhaps some of our forum friends more familiar with the Imperial Army structure changes during the war can assist/clarify this point more? I must admit to some bias at this point because I am a BIG FAN of unit marked Lugers and my attraction to them stems from the historical perspective of being able to track the type unit, its place in the Imperial Army structure and its corresponding wartime history. A unit mark of this nature, as I understand it, does not afford such an opportunity. Again, in my opinion, a 1913 Luger in the condition that this is in should command a price higher than $1400 to $1600 and would if the unit mark was of a more "traditional type unit." Ron

11-05-2014, 02:00 PM	#4
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 409 Times in 160 Posts	The Saxon 1. Leib Grenadier Regiment Nr. 100 has had a MG company in 1913. It was issued to the III battalion. Station was Dresden. The sizes of the numbers seem to be correct according the stamping order. Usually was the R. (for meaning infantry- regiment) behind the number 100. Interesting would be to see the tool.

11-05-2014, 03:29 PM	#5
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	A fine example. Although I own a 1913, mine is not marked~ Go for it!!! Eric

11-05-2014, 04:53 PM	#7
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	George we are both correct! One I purchased years ago unmarked and one marked I purchased from you~~ I'll post the serial tommorow!! Both beautiful~~ Eric

11-05-2014, 06:35 PM	#8
pappers1 User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: PA, USA Posts: 32 Thanks: 14 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I think the MG means Machine Gun unit.

11-05-2014, 07:33 PM	#9
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Why were so many unmarked?