1918 erfurt rig

josef · 06-15-2014, 01:14 PM

Hello Gentlemen,
Kind of out of my league here but came across this one rig the other day from the family. Just thought I would share. Matching including mag, and had another mismatched one in the holster. Anyone has the Luger for it , let me know. Thanks for looking

Sergio Natali · 06-15-2014, 01:36 PM

Welcome to this forum.
Somehow it looks as if I always recommend the same things to people who want to shoot their old Luges:
a) first have it properly checked by a competent armourer
b) never shoot heavy loads as modern cartridges are not that safe for these old ladies.

Safe shooting.

Sergio

DavidJayUden · 06-15-2014, 02:50 PM

Either standard 124 or 115 FMJ bullets should work. Winchester white box is recommended here, and Sellier & Belloit 115 fmj is my favorite.
A very nice Luger!
dju

josef · 06-15-2014, 03:45 PM

Thank you both Gentlemen, I appreciate this expertise very much I know it's a run-of-the-mill Luger but I love the history behind it. Thanks again , this is a great forum.

John Sabato · 06-16-2014, 02:18 PM

A question for the ERFURT experts...

Does anyone know if any Lugers were produced by ERFURT, where the toggle mark DIDN'T have a break in the crown stamp?

I don't remember if I have ever seen an Erfurt toggle that didn't have the break in the right side of the top of the crown...

George Anderson · 06-16-2014, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

A question for the ERFURT experts...

Does anyone know if any Lugers were produced by ERFURT, where the toggle mark DIDN'T have a break in the crown stamp?

I don't remember if I have ever seen an Erfurt toggle that didn't have the break in the right side of the top of the crown...

John, I have a 1912 P08 and two 1914 LP08s that do not have breaks in the crown.

Geo99 · 06-23-2014, 03:03 AM

John -

I have a 1913 Erfurt that has a perfect crown. Maybe it's just the later war ones that have broken die stamp?

A.Mifsin · 06-23-2014, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Sabato

A question for the ERFURT experts...

Does anyone know if any Lugers were produced by ERFURT, where the toggle mark DIDN'T have a break in the crown stamp?

I don't remember if I have ever seen an Erfurt toggle that didn't have the break in the right side of the top of the crown...

John, Can you please show what break you are talking about, sorry for my ignorance.
Alf.

alanint · 06-23-2014, 09:29 AM

On the right lobe of the crown, closest to the toggle serial number there is a missing line. This comes from the die breaking at some point.

It would be interesting to take a survey of all available Erfurt Lugers out there to narrow down at what serial range the die broke.

John Sabato · 06-23-2014, 01:11 PM

Alf,

This photo, even though the stamp is filled with white, perfectly illustrates the broken Erfurt Crown toggle stamp.

This is most commonly observed on Erfurt Lugers. Some early Erfurt Lugers have recently been observed (by me) that must have been produced before this stamp broke. I have seen 1914 dated Erfurts with the broken crown stamp, so the break must have occured early in Erfurt production.

rhuff · 06-23-2014, 05:19 PM

John,

I have one that looks identical to the picture, and am sure there are thousands more out there in 'luger-land".

Ron Wood · 06-23-2014, 06:05 PM

The broken crown die occurred fairly early in production, but there are legitimate examples where the crown is intact. I am not sure but I believe that the die was replaced in later production so the crown was not broken.

hayhugh · 06-23-2014, 09:04 PM

I have an Erfurt Artillery, 7398, with no break in the crown.

wlyon · 06-23-2014, 09:53 PM

1916 Erfurt serial #6338a. Crown is not totally broken but the right side has a very thin spot. Bill

foxdoublegunner · 06-23-2014, 10:31 PM

The 1912 Erfurt that I am purchasing does not appear to have a break in the crown.

A.Mifsin · 06-24-2014, 02:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

The broken crown die occurred fairly early in production, but there are legitimate examples where the crown is intact. I am not sure but I believe that the die was replaced in later production so the crown was not broken.

My Erfurt 1917 has a very clear crown.
Alf

06-15-2014, 01:36 PM	#2
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Welcome to this forum. Somehow it looks as if I always recommend the same things to people who want to shoot their old Luges: a) first have it properly checked by a competent armourer b) never shoot heavy loads as modern cartridges are not that safe for these old ladies. Safe shooting. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

06-16-2014, 02:18 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	A question for the ERFURT experts... Does anyone know if any Lugers were produced by ERFURT, where the toggle mark DIDN'T have a break in the crown stamp? I don't remember if I have ever seen an Erfurt toggle that didn't have the break in the right side of the top of the crown... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-23-2014, 03:03 AM	#7
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 400 Thanks: 102 Thanked 127 Times in 75 Posts	John - I have a 1913 Erfurt that has a perfect crown. Maybe it's just the later war ones that have broken die stamp? __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

06-23-2014, 06:05 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,119 Thanked 5,286 Times in 1,728 Posts	The broken crown die occurred fairly early in production, but there are legitimate examples where the crown is intact. I am not sure but I believe that the die was replaced in later production so the crown was not broken. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

06-23-2014, 09:53 PM	#14
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,673 Thanks: 3,243 Thanked 2,658 Times in 988 Posts	1916 Erfurt serial #6338a. Crown is not totally broken but the right side has a very thin spot. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

06-15-2014, 02:50 PM	#3
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Either standard 124 or 115 FMJ bullets should work. Winchester white box is recommended here, and Sellier & Belloit 115 fmj is my favorite. A very nice Luger! dju

06-15-2014, 03:45 PM	#4
josef User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CANADA Posts: 194 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you both Gentlemen, I appreciate this expertise very much I know it's a run-of-the-mill Luger but I love the history behind it. Thanks again , this is a great forum.

06-23-2014, 09:29 AM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	On the right lobe of the crown, closest to the toggle serial number there is a missing line. This comes from the die breaking at some point. It would be interesting to take a survey of all available Erfurt Lugers out there to narrow down at what serial range the die broke.

06-23-2014, 05:19 PM	#11
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,314 Thanks: 2,746 Thanked 998 Times in 733 Posts	John, I have one that looks identical to the picture, and am sure there are thousands more out there in 'luger-land".

06-23-2014, 09:04 PM	#13
hayhugh User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Florida/Penna Posts: 898 Thanks: 892 Thanked 514 Times in 276 Posts	I have an Erfurt Artillery, 7398, with no break in the crown.