Is this Navy Correct?

Jasta2 · 03-05-2014, 08:44 PM

Looking at this 1906 Navy on Auction Arms. Looks to be a good buy if correct. Bid starts at $2,500 no reserve.
Auction number 12684180

Sorry, I cannot make a link.

cirelaw · 03-05-2014, 09:37 PM

Heres your link! Eric http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=12684180

lugerholsterrepair · 03-05-2014, 11:06 PM

I have a couple of problems with this one..You better look at the left side of the Navy rear sight. The WW dockyard marking on the rear gripstrap is suspect to me. If the mag is matching I would sure expect a photo of it. Something about this whole presentation..or lack of has me colored suspicious.
I have been wrong before but like I say..I want to see more to allay my negative thoughts. In the meanwhile I am sure one of the more knowledgeable Navy guys will come along.

Norme · 03-06-2014, 08:47 AM

Hi Bill, If you're interested in this gun you should ask for more, and clearer photos, particularly ones of the receiver rails, magazine base and a close-up of the C/M marks on the left receiver. For what it's worth, the barrel serial numbers on guns this early should not have halos, they were numbered prior to bluing, and the W.W. marking (Werft Wilhelmshaven) looks correct also, these marks are almost always pantographed, like this one. All other Navy property marks were stamped.
Regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 03-06-2014, 10:02 AM

and the W.W. marking (Werft Wilhelmshaven) looks correct also,?? Norm, I don't see any periods..as in W.W. marking . Looks bad to me.

Norme · 03-06-2014, 10:28 AM

Hi Jerry, Werft Wilhelmshaven property marks come with and without periods, without is more common.
Best regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 03-06-2014, 10:48 AM

OK! Thanks..Will add that to my memory banks. I appreciate it. The other concern I had with this pistol was the rear sight. From what little I could see the vertical lines don't reach down far enough? But the pic is not the best.

Norme · 03-06-2014, 10:53 AM

Hi Jerry, I'm not saying this gun is OK, we simply need to see more and better photos. The property mark, however, does look original.
Best regards, Norm

lugerholsterrepair · 03-06-2014, 10:58 AM

I understand..yes..of course. IF it pans out it's a smoking bargain at the guy's buy it now price.

DavidJayUden · 03-06-2014, 12:39 PM

"IF it pans out it's a smoking bargain at the guy's buy it now price."

$5750 is a smoking bargain? Yikes!

dju

lugerholsterrepair · 03-06-2014, 12:55 PM

David, Imperial Navy Lugers are not the nosebleed section. They are front and center..courtside. $5750 is what I have seen run of the mill 1917 Navy's sell for recently. Werft Wilhelmshaven property marked 06 would demand a little/lot more IMO. The last Imperial Navy wooden stock I bought was over 3K. Holster right around $2-2500. A complete rig will top $10,000 any day of the week. Did I mention this stuff is relatively rare?

DavidJayUden · 03-06-2014, 03:08 PM

Wow, I'll have to pay more attention to that stuff.
Thanks Jerry.
dju

Ben M. · 03-09-2014, 10:03 PM

hard to see, but the groove where the old gesichert was milled out is normally not blued but bare white metal that begins to rust. if blued in the groove, then maybe a refinish was done on the gun.

gunbugs · 03-11-2014, 12:57 AM

Some 06's, like mine, had the lower safety marking "scrubbed", instead of milled.

Ben M. · 03-11-2014, 09:47 AM

yes. still left white and not blued, tho, based on ones i have seen at Tulsa.

03-05-2014, 08:44 PM	#1
Jasta2 User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Lakeland, Fl. Posts: 514 Thanks: 349 Thanked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Is this Navy Correct? Looking at this 1906 Navy on Auction Arms. Looks to be a good buy if correct. Bid starts at $2,500 no reserve. Auction number 12684180 Sorry, I cannot make a link.

03-05-2014, 11:06 PM	#3
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	I have a couple of problems with this one..You better look at the left side of the Navy rear sight. The WW dockyard marking on the rear gripstrap is suspect to me. If the mag is matching I would sure expect a photo of it. Something about this whole presentation..or lack of has me colored suspicious. I have been wrong before but like I say..I want to see more to allay my negative thoughts. In the meanwhile I am sure one of the more knowledgeable Navy guys will come along. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-06-2014, 10:02 AM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	and the W.W. marking (Werft Wilhelmshaven) looks correct also,?? Norm, I don't see any periods..as in W.W. marking . Looks bad to me. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-06-2014, 10:28 AM	#6
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, Werft Wilhelmshaven property marks come with and without periods, without is more common. Best regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

03-06-2014, 10:48 AM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	OK! Thanks..Will add that to my memory banks. I appreciate it. The other concern I had with this pistol was the rear sight. From what little I could see the vertical lines don't reach down far enough? But the pic is not the best. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-05-2014, 09:37 PM	#2
cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,138 Times in 2,176 Posts	Heres your link! Eric http://www.gunauction.com/search/dis...emnum=12684180

03-06-2014, 08:47 AM	#4
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Bill, If you're interested in this gun you should ask for more, and clearer photos, particularly ones of the receiver rails, magazine base and a close-up of the C/M marks on the left receiver. For what it's worth, the barrel serial numbers on guns this early should not have halos, they were numbered prior to bluing, and the W.W. marking (Werft Wilhelmshaven) looks correct also, these marks are almost always pantographed, like this one. All other Navy property marks were stamped. Regards, Norm

03-06-2014, 10:53 AM	#8
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Jerry, I'm not saying this gun is OK, we simply need to see more and better photos. The property mark, however, does look original. Best regards, Norm

03-06-2014, 10:58 AM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	I understand..yes..of course. IF it pans out it's a smoking bargain at the guy's buy it now price. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-06-2014, 12:39 PM	#10
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	"IF it pans out it's a smoking bargain at the guy's buy it now price." $5750 is a smoking bargain? Yikes! dju

03-06-2014, 12:55 PM	#11
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	David, Imperial Navy Lugers are not the nosebleed section. They are front and center..courtside. $5750 is what I have seen run of the mill 1917 Navy's sell for recently. Werft Wilhelmshaven property marked 06 would demand a little/lot more IMO. The last Imperial Navy wooden stock I bought was over 3K. Holster right around $2-2500. A complete rig will top $10,000 any day of the week. Did I mention this stuff is relatively rare? __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

03-06-2014, 03:08 PM	#12
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Wow, I'll have to pay more attention to that stuff. Thanks Jerry. dju

03-09-2014, 10:03 PM	#13
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 499 Thanks: 96 Thanked 146 Times in 91 Posts	hard to see, but the groove where the old gesichert was milled out is normally not blued but bare white metal that begins to rust. if blued in the groove, then maybe a refinish was done on the gun.

03-11-2014, 12:57 AM	#14
gunbugs Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska. Home of the best moose. Posts: 672 Thanks: 371 Thanked 1,202 Times in 407 Posts	Some 06's, like mine, had the lower safety marking "scrubbed", instead of milled.

03-11-2014, 09:47 AM	#15
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 499 Thanks: 96 Thanked 146 Times in 91 Posts	yes. still left white and not blued, tho, based on ones i have seen at Tulsa.