New to the community - 1913 DWM

RoyalTermite · 01-07-2014, 06:21 PM

I have just purchased a P08 online. I should have it in a few days. Always wanted one since was about 11 years old when I built one of those cap/cartridge replicas in the early 80's.

It is a 1913 DWM. Billed as and appears to be numbers matching. Has the 1920 property stamp. I will post better pictures when I actually have the pistol.

sheepherder · 01-07-2014, 06:35 PM

Welcome!

Your P08 has the sear safety and remnants of a magazine safety which are the marks of a 'police Luger'.

Looking forward to more pics!

Edward Tinker · 01-07-2014, 09:49 PM

welcome Joe,

very grey looking finish? But overall in nice shape, love the slightly off kilter 1920 as that is a great thing to see for me

Ed

RoyalTermite · 01-08-2014, 12:38 AM

There are supposedly no import marks.

sheepherder · 01-08-2014, 08:55 AM

There is a member here, "G.T.", who specializes in restoring old broken magazines. You would be wise to restore your wood-bottom mag and obtain a Mec-Gar magazine if you desire to shoot it...

RoyalTermite · 01-08-2014, 09:32 AM

I bought 2 new 8 shot aftermarket mags on ebay to shoot with. Still looking for someone that has Mec-Gar in stock.

Sergio Natali · 01-08-2014, 02:58 PM

Sear safety and maybe also Police unit markings on the front strap, anyway it looks like a nice gun, congratulations and happy lugering! :-)

mrerick · 01-08-2014, 03:04 PM

Hi Joe, and welcome to the forum.

Congratulations on your new Luger!

Marc

RoyalTermite · 01-12-2014, 12:33 AM

Well I picked up the pistol today. Very nice condition. All numbers matching including the grips. (magazine does not match) Some light wear on barrel end. Left grip is a little loose. The magazine is in good shape aside from the damaged wood base. Spring in the magazine is really strong. Much stronger than the 2 aftermarket mags I picked up.

The finish is not a high gloss. More a dull satin black. Bore and barrel in nice shape. Very clean and bright with crisp rifling.

I snapped some pics. Any input on the markings and proof marks welcome.

ithacaartist · 01-12-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RoyalTermite

The finish is not a high gloss. More a dull satin black.

It appears to have been prepared for refinishing by bead or sand blasting. The color tones of the finish would also be explained by a refinish. The last pic in the first series gives another clue to the refinish, in that the toggle axle's retaining pin is no longer in the white.

It still looks great, however, so enjoy! Personally, I'd shoot it after changing out the firing pin, extractor, and ejector, to avoid breaking a numbered or original part. And if you send your grip scales to Hugh Clark for spiffing up, this pistol will be a real beauty.

alanint · 01-12-2014, 11:17 AM

Yet the barrel markings clearly show halos.

ithacaartist · 01-12-2014, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

Yet the barrel markings clearly show halos.

Yes, it's an enigma shrouded in a riddle which is cloaked in mystery.

Doug is very likely correct, but there's a lot of the white substance used to accent the characters all over the place, and this may help in creating an illusory artifact. Halos are apparent in the pics, but it's time to bring out the 10x loupe for a closer look. It's possible the white is re-creating the appearance of halos by interacting with whatever is left of them.

RoyalTermite · 01-12-2014, 12:32 PM

The white is chalk powder I laid in the markings to see them better. Will take pics again, I removed powder when I cleaned and oiled it.

alanint · 01-12-2014, 01:24 PM

Photograph the barrel markings straight on in the best possible light. I'm basing my observation from the photo taken without chalk of the barrel and lower receiver. The barrel does appear to have a different finish from the balance of the gun. Would it be beyond reason to have had a police reissue partially refinish only on the parts that showed wear?

RoyalTermite · 01-12-2014, 07:52 PM

Album of some detailed close ups -

http://s209.photobucket.com/user/roy...r%20Close%20Up

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Geo99 · 01-13-2014, 01:46 AM

The entire toggle train assy is definitely reblued.
The "Gesichert" looks like it was blued over also.

Since this gun does appear to be reblued, I can't understand the perfectly good barrel halos.
Has anyone ever heard of halos remaining on a refinished rust blued Luger?

- Geo

DavidJayUden · 01-13-2014, 07:46 AM

Personally I'm not seeing halos on the barrel #'s. There is a slight deviation around the numbers from the metal being pushed up, but it is minor and could well be from pre-re-bluing stamping.
All numbers seem to be deeply blued down inside of the grooves.
And those left side numbers look "odd".
I'd call it an old rework and move on.
dju

RoyalTermite · 01-13-2014, 08:54 AM

I'd call it "I am happy with my purchase"

RoyalTermite · 01-13-2014, 09:09 PM

I do very much appreciate ALL the input and information that all of you are giving me.

Thanks!

Joe

01-07-2014, 06:21 PM	#1
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	New to the community - 1913 DWM I have just purchased a P08 online. I should have it in a few days. Always wanted one since was about 11 years old when I built one of those cap/cartridge replicas in the early 80's. It is a 1913 DWM. Billed as and appears to be numbers matching. Has the 1920 property stamp. I will post better pictures when I actually have the pistol. Last edited by RoyalTermite; 01-08-2014 at 12:35 AM.

01-07-2014, 06:35 PM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	Welcome! Your P08 has the sear safety and remnants of a magazine safety which are the marks of a 'police Luger'. Looking forward to more pics! __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-07-2014, 09:49 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	welcome Joe, very grey looking finish? But overall in nice shape, love the slightly off kilter 1920 as that is a great thing to see for me Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-08-2014, 08:55 AM	#5
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,195 Thanks: 1,413 Thanked 4,462 Times in 2,336 Posts	There is a member here, "G.T.", who specializes in restoring old broken magazines. You would be wise to restore your wood-bottom mag and obtain a Mec-Gar magazine if you desire to shoot it... __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

01-08-2014, 02:58 PM	#7
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Sear safety and maybe also Police unit markings on the front strap, anyway it looks like a nice gun, congratulations and happy lugering! :-) __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

01-08-2014, 12:38 AM	#4
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	There are supposedly no import marks.

01-08-2014, 09:32 AM	#6
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	I bought 2 new 8 shot aftermarket mags on ebay to shoot with. Still looking for someone that has Mec-Gar in stock.

01-08-2014, 03:04 PM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Hi Joe, and welcome to the forum. Congratulations on your new Luger! Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

01-12-2014, 12:33 AM	#9
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	Well I picked up the pistol today. Very nice condition. All numbers matching including the grips. (magazine does not match) Some light wear on barrel end. Left grip is a little loose. The magazine is in good shape aside from the damaged wood base. Spring in the magazine is really strong. Much stronger than the 2 aftermarket mags I picked up. The finish is not a high gloss. More a dull satin black. Bore and barrel in nice shape. Very clean and bright with crisp rifling. I snapped some pics. Any input on the markings and proof marks welcome.

01-12-2014, 11:17 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Yet the barrel markings clearly show halos.

01-12-2014, 12:32 PM	#13
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	The white is chalk powder I laid in the markings to see them better. Will take pics again, I removed powder when I cleaned and oiled it.

01-12-2014, 01:24 PM	#14
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Photograph the barrel markings straight on in the best possible light. I'm basing my observation from the photo taken without chalk of the barrel and lower receiver. The barrel does appear to have a different finish from the balance of the gun. Would it be beyond reason to have had a police reissue partially refinish only on the parts that showed wear?

01-12-2014, 07:52 PM	#15
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	Album of some detailed close ups - http://s209.photobucket.com/user/roy...r%20Close%20Up [URL=http://s209.photobucket.com/user/royaltermite/media/Luger%20Close%20Up/20140112185335-515_zpspmwb5bdr.jpg.html][/URL]

01-13-2014, 01:46 AM	#16
Geo99 User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Whidbey Island WA Posts: 400 Thanks: 102 Thanked 127 Times in 75 Posts	The entire toggle train assy is definitely reblued. The "Gesichert" looks like it was blued over also. Since this gun does appear to be reblued, I can't understand the perfectly good barrel halos. Has anyone ever heard of halos remaining on a refinished rust blued Luger? - Geo __________________ "Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie, until you can find a rock." - Will Rogers

01-13-2014, 07:46 AM	#17
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Personally I'm not seeing halos on the barrel #'s. There is a slight deviation around the numbers from the metal being pushed up, but it is minor and could well be from pre-re-bluing stamping. All numbers seem to be deeply blued down inside of the grooves. And those left side numbers look "odd". I'd call it an old rework and move on. dju

01-13-2014, 08:54 AM	#18
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	I'd call it "I am happy with my purchase"

01-13-2014, 09:09 PM	#19
RoyalTermite User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kennett Square. PA Posts: 66 Thanks: 42 Thanked 60 Times in 22 Posts	I do very much appreciate ALL the input and information that all of you are giving me. Thanks! Joe