42 Commercial Banner Luger

tharpo · 06-19-2013, 02:25 PM

Very interesting Mauser variation. Strawed small parts in 1942. Unnumbered extractor, firing pin, holdopen, and inside sideplate. Unmarked magazine with convex pin. Type 5 black plastic grips.
Tom

Ron Smith · 06-19-2013, 03:00 PM

Wow!!

mrerick · 06-19-2013, 03:59 PM

Tom, also see these photos of my 42 Banner sn 715g...

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=715g

Please check. Is the entire trigger plate (including the pin) blued?

Is the muzzle completely blued?

Thanks, Marc

tharpo · 06-19-2013, 04:49 PM

Marc,
Here are photos of the areas you requested.

John Sabato · 06-19-2013, 04:50 PM

Tom,
Nice Luger. I imagine that even in that late production year that strawed small parts might be possible on a commercial gun, but I can't say for sure that I have seen a previous specimen like this. (My memory isn't what it used to be, but what is?). Most all post-1937 Mausers have all salt blued parts.

I am not convinced that the grips are OEM. Could we please see a clear focus close-up of the inside of the grips? From the initial photos of the grip exterior and the fit in the area of the safety lever they appear that they might be reproduction grips.

I would also have expected to see the number '91' stamped on the inside of the sideplate.

abzug · 06-19-2013, 05:11 PM

Tom, a fine Mauser. I have seen a few of these mostly in the "w" suffix range. Most have Mauser toggles, a few have byf toggles, strawed small parts and phenolic resin grip plates. Most have had the P.08 frame designation. The mags have been unnumbered, convex pins, unmarked tubes, and on some the fxo black base mags.

mrerick · 06-19-2013, 05:55 PM

I also have another "42" date that has a side plate that is not numbered inside. sn 7152g.

This is occasionally found according to Don Hallock and Joop's book.

Thanks for the pictures. It confirms that blued retention pins were normal (both my 42 date Lugers have them). Also looks like the muzzle is blued too, right?

Process steps must have been simplified this late in production at the factory...

MArc

SteveM · 06-19-2013, 06:19 PM

Tom, that's a nice one. Wish mine were as pretty. Yours is about 500 later than this one.

tharpo · 06-19-2013, 08:33 PM

John, some pics of the grips. I think they are OK.
Steve, I see yours has an Eagle/N proof which would be correct for your serial number range. Your gun looks good to me!

Tom

06-19-2013, 02:25 PM	#1
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	42 Commercial Banner Luger Very interesting Mauser variation. Strawed small parts in 1942. Unnumbered extractor, firing pin, holdopen, and inside sideplate. Unmarked magazine with convex pin. Type 5 black plastic grips. Tom Attached Thumbnails

06-19-2013, 03:00 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Wow!! __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

06-19-2013, 03:59 PM	#3
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Tom, also see these photos of my 42 Banner sn 715g... http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...highlight=715g Please check. Is the entire trigger plate (including the pin) blued? Is the muzzle completely blued? Thanks, Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-19-2013, 04:49 PM	#4
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	Marc, Here are photos of the areas you requested. Attached Thumbnails

06-19-2013, 04:50 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Tom, Nice Luger. I imagine that even in that late production year that strawed small parts might be possible on a commercial gun, but I can't say for sure that I have seen a previous specimen like this. (My memory isn't what it used to be, but what is?). Most all post-1937 Mausers have all salt blued parts. I am not convinced that the grips are OEM. Could we please see a clear focus close-up of the inside of the grips? From the initial photos of the grip exterior and the fit in the area of the safety lever they appear that they might be reproduction grips. I would also have expected to see the number '91' stamped on the inside of the sideplate. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-19-2013, 05:11 PM	#6
abzug User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 13 Thanks: 25 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Tom, a fine Mauser. I have seen a few of these mostly in the "w" suffix range. Most have Mauser toggles, a few have byf toggles, strawed small parts and phenolic resin grip plates. Most have had the P.08 frame designation. The mags have been unnumbered, convex pins, unmarked tubes, and on some the fxo black base mags.

06-19-2013, 05:55 PM	#7
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	I also have another "42" date that has a side plate that is not numbered inside. sn 7152g. This is occasionally found according to Don Hallock and Joop's book. Thanks for the pictures. It confirms that blued retention pins were normal (both my 42 date Lugers have them). Also looks like the muzzle is blued too, right? Process steps must have been simplified this late in production at the factory... MArc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

06-19-2013, 06:19 PM	#8
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Tom, that's a nice one. Wish mine were as pretty. Yours is about 500 later than this one. Attached Thumbnails

06-19-2013, 08:33 PM	#9
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	John, some pics of the grips. I think they are OK. Steve, I see yours has an Eagle/N proof which would be correct for your serial number range. Your gun looks good to me! Tom Attached Thumbnails