rear toggle axel pin number does not match

Georgesd · 05-26-2011, 10:03 PM

Just learned that the rear toggle axel pin has a different number than the rest of my 1939 42 code Luger. Will such a small part have an impact on the value of the pistol?
Thanks,
George

drbuster · 05-27-2011, 12:26 AM

I would think "yes" as this part should be matching. How much of an impact would depend on how much the buyer otherwise wants the pistol.

spartacus38 · 05-27-2011, 12:41 AM

Maybe 5%,that is all.
Bob

Aaron · 05-27-2011, 12:52 AM

I think the loss of value willl very from very little to a large number. The finer the pistol, the more the loss will be. For example, a 99% Luger with matching magazine would lose at least 20% of its value. However, a 90% percent Luger with non-matching magazine might only lose 10% of value. Each pistol has to be evaluated individually. You can't apply an all-inclusive formula to determination of value.

spartacus38 · 05-27-2011, 01:00 AM

George has a 1939 Code 42 .I maintain no more than 5 % in value loss even if 99%.
Bob

Edward Tinker · 05-27-2011, 03:57 AM

Bob, no offense but I disagree with you.

Would you tell someone that you'd take 5% off of a 1939 42 if it arrived at your house and it did not have a matching toggle pin?

I personally am not that bothered by it, but had some trouble selling one 3 or 4 years ago that had written provenance of it being a Normandy luger, all because its toggle pin was wrong. I wish I still owned that luger

I agree with Aaron's comment, that the more desirable the gun is, the more it matters. But I personally would not turn down a gun that was 'incorrect". That part, firing pins, grips, I give a bit more leeway (not altogether mind you, if only one issue)

Ed

Lugerdoc · 05-27-2011, 11:21 AM

George, What are the 2 digits that you need on the toggle rear axel? I may be able to provide a match. TH

spartacus38 · 05-27-2011, 11:44 AM

Ed Tinker,
Reference 1939 Code 42.In answer to your question:no.
Bob

silverknife · 05-27-2011, 02:56 PM

Had the seller advertised it as "all parts matching"?

A mismatched toggle axle pin on a 1939 Code 42 may only depreciate the value of the gun 5% if you are negotiating the sale knowing that it is a mismatch, but if you were misled when you bought the gun before having it to examine, I think that's a whole different issue.

Ed. Yes, if I bought a 1939 Code 42 advertised as all matching and then found that the axle pin was not correctly numbered I would expect a 5% adjustment for that defect alone.

Regards,
Doug

Georgesd · 05-27-2011, 10:08 PM

Thanks to all of you!!

@ Lugerdoc, I need #44 for the rear toggle axel pin.

Thanks,
George

Lugerdoc · 05-29-2011, 11:00 AM

George, Sorry no #44 currently available. Tom

Georgesd · 05-29-2011, 11:49 AM

Thanks Tom.
I appreciate you looking.
George

05-26-2011, 10:03 PM	#1
Georgesd User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	rear toggle axel pin number does not match Just learned that the rear toggle axel pin has a different number than the rest of my 1939 42 code Luger. Will such a small part have an impact on the value of the pistol? Thanks, George

05-27-2011, 03:57 AM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,995 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Bob, no offense but I disagree with you. Would you tell someone that you'd take 5% off of a 1939 42 if it arrived at your house and it did not have a matching toggle pin? I personally am not that bothered by it, but had some trouble selling one 3 or 4 years ago that had written provenance of it being a Normandy luger, all because its toggle pin was wrong. I wish I still owned that luger I agree with Aaron's comment, that the more desirable the gun is, the more it matters. But I personally would not turn down a gun that was 'incorrect". That part, firing pins, grips, I give a bit more leeway (not altogether mind you, if only one issue) Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-27-2011, 11:21 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	George, What are the 2 digits that you need on the toggle rear axel? I may be able to provide a match. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-27-2011, 02:56 PM	#9
silverknife User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Western New York Posts: 78 Thanks: 11 Thanked 19 Times in 13 Posts	Had the seller advertised it as "all parts matching"? A mismatched toggle axle pin on a 1939 Code 42 may only depreciate the value of the gun 5% if you are negotiating the sale knowing that it is a mismatch, but if you were misled when you bought the gun before having it to examine, I think that's a whole different issue. Ed. Yes, if I bought a 1939 Code 42 advertised as all matching and then found that the axle pin was not correctly numbered I would expect a 5% adjustment for that defect alone. Regards, Doug __________________ Need #23 side plate & toggle axle pin and #01 hold open.

05-27-2011, 10:08 PM	#10
Georgesd User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thanks to all of you!! @ Lugerdoc, I need #44 for the rear toggle axel pin. Thanks, George __________________ Need rear toggle axel pin # 44 for my 1939 42 code

05-27-2011, 12:26 AM	#2
drbuster User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Mateo, California Posts: 1,432 Thanks: 2 Thanked 71 Times in 56 Posts	I would think "yes" as this part should be matching. How much of an impact would depend on how much the buyer otherwise wants the pistol.

05-27-2011, 12:41 AM	#3
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Maybe 5%,that is all. Bob

05-27-2011, 12:52 AM	#4
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	I think the loss of value willl very from very little to a large number. The finer the pistol, the more the loss will be. For example, a 99% Luger with matching magazine would lose at least 20% of its value. However, a 90% percent Luger with non-matching magazine might only lose 10% of value. Each pistol has to be evaluated individually. You can't apply an all-inclusive formula to determination of value.

05-27-2011, 01:00 AM	#5
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	George has a 1939 Code 42 .I maintain no more than 5 % in value loss even if 99%. Bob

05-27-2011, 11:44 AM	#8
spartacus38 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Lake Tahoe,CA. Posts: 695 Thanks: 0 Thanked 70 Times in 56 Posts	Ed Tinker, Reference 1939 Code 42.In answer to your question:no. Bob

05-29-2011, 11:00 AM	#11
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	George, Sorry no #44 currently available. Tom __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-29-2011, 11:49 AM	#12
Georgesd User Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	rear toggle axel pin # 44 Thanks Tom. I appreciate you looking. George __________________ Need rear toggle axel pin # 44 for my 1939 42 code